The U23 coach should be advising MLS to sign more college P40s

But or course

Proyect 40 need to divide like a cell, is the logical next step what about

PROYECT 40 EAST
PROYECT 40 WEST
PROYECT 40 SOUTHWEST

But you know about soccer community here in USA: A PERENNIAL AZZ DRAGGING Dumb azzes all over MLS AND USSF, the only reason why we made a good show on world cup is because BRUCE ARENA FREAK OUT AND USE his youngones nothing to loose a HELL A LOT TO WIN

 

Re: But or course

Well maybe you should put the crack pipe down before you post, and by the way hoked on fonics werked fur me too

 

Crack pipe??????

The teme of this forum is soccer ....right?? So what does my grammar have to do with anything else !! Going back to the subject .... What do you thigh about having P 40 divided at least on two cell P 40 east and P40 west. Logic dictate this move, it will benefit a whole group of young players that have been left out by the current sistem

 

Re: But or course

How about we go even further and have a P40 team in the same region every team is in. We could call them reserve/u-something teams.

 

I can only see more kids coming ino project 40 if they give them games each week. the league was thinking at one time to take everyone to the weekend game and the players who don't play sat night in the league game could play a game before that game or the next day. right now so many good players are fighting for playing time.. I have always been for a project 40 team in One city during the A-league season. They could rent a house for them and then find a venue in that city to play their games. They did try the A-league circuit when mls first started but they were flying the players ineach week and they didn't have practice, and each week could be different players. This might work to give more players the opportunity to train in a better atmosphere than college and give them games.

 

Re: Crack pipe??????

I agree with whip on both counts. (1) Did you understand what he wrote? Fine. Then he communicated and didn't deserve the personal slam. Plus, note that whip is a clear thinker who doesn't get into a flame war but, instead, heads back to the topic...

Speaking of which, (2) the more good college players who bail and go pro earlier the more likely we are to succeed internationally.

Assuming we have the coaching depth to handle it and enough pro teams to absorb the resulting increase in top-flight rookies.

 

There are simply not enough teams in MLS or the revenue for them to send so many into P-40.

 

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Assuming we have the coaching depth to handle it and enough pro teams to absorb the resulting increase in top-flight rookies. [/B][/QUOTE] "
BINGO!!!

Having an overproduction of TOP-FIGHT ROOKIES will warranty a upper hand for a good oportunity on EUROPE, MEXICO AND SOUTH AMERICA, Imagine PLANET SOCCER 2006 WITH COUPLE DOZEN AMERICAN KIDS POLISHING AMERICAN PRESTIGE OVERSEAS.!!! We own this oportunity to our youngones they are working hard, They have top our perennial NEMESIS, MEXICO""

SO MY VOTE GO FOR SPLIT P 40

 

".. I have always been for a project 40 team in One city during the A-league season. They could rent a house for them"

This is where the word "PLANNING" come to my mind, There have been a continious construction of soccer complex on the last couple of years, are those SOCCER COMPLEXS EQUIP WITH DORMS AREAS ?????

 

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We could call them reserve/u-something teams. [/B][/QUOTE

RESERVES??? Thats the way it suposed to be, but your know MLS AND COMMON SENSE does not ride on the same train, even though having a proyect 40 could pick up some of the slack

 

"Common sense"

Reserve teams are almost certainly a good idea from a soccer perspective, but how aboout from a business perspective?

Some thoughts off the top of my head:

- MLS has made a conscious decision not to get into the train-and-transfer game. Whatever you may think of that decision, in the end the marketing of American soccer players to overseas teams is probably even less developed as a business than the marketing of American soccer players to Americans. First things first -- it's no surprise that improving our senior and youth national teams is only a peripheral priority of the league, as per its official "five guiding principles".

- If they're not in the business to sell players, what's the point? There's no evidence that any improvement in the quality of play, even if more than incremental, would have a significant impact on the performance of the league as a business, especially given the additional costs.

- MLS is at little risk of losing top domestic talent. The annual flow of high-profile US players to alternate leagues (overseas, US minor leagues, indoor soccer) and non-soccer careers is relatively insignificant, probably in large part because players know that if they want a career in soccer and with the national team, their best bet is MLS. It's a buyer's market, which is likely why the league offers so few players guaranteed money before the draft.

As a fan of the US national team first and foremost -- and a supporter of MLS -- I'd love to see reserve teams (that offer players money competitive not only with alternative playing options but non-soccer career choices -- which even first-team spots don't necessarily do at the moment) created by the league.

But if I'm running MLS, I'm in no hurry to install reserve squads -- especially given the success US men's programs have had internationally at almost every level over the last four years or so -- unless I want to get into the business of selling players.

And even then, I'm not sure selling players would help MLS as a business much: I haven't seen the books, so I have no idea how far, say, $10M in annual transfer fees would go toward offsetting the league's costs (not to mention the additional operating and administrative costs of running a reserve program).

MLS has raised the level of the game in the US simply by existing. It may not be ideal, but it ain't broke and I'm not sure what, exactly, reserve teams would fix.

 

I don't disagree with this. I doubt anyone does. But I'm not sure how it addresses the business realities the league faces today.

 

Re: "Common sense"

 

Wanderer speaks the truth.

 

Once again, I agree with you generally... To be honest I don't really have anything to say about your points but was addressing the broader question of full reserve teams.

I do think MLS would do well to be more aggressive in signing P-40s. Even adding one more exempt roster spot per team would mean ten additional players giving it a pro go.

But in that case they would have to come up with some kind of structural change (whether by bringing back the P-40 Select team or aggressively farming them out to the A-League or elsewhere) in order to make sure guys are playing regularly. Personally I was disappointed when they axed the Select team.

 

Re: But or course

1) We had some luck to get into the World Cup. It was looking like we wouldn't settle qualification until the very last WCQ.
2) We lucked out at the World Cup. Our loss to Poland could've cost us in getting to the 2nd round. Thank god for S. Korea beating Portugal!
That said, BA is a god. Just not that big of one.

As for P-40, keep it as is. I think the real thing that the US needs are more promising players getting over to Holland, Germany, etc at a young age and getting in experience that way. They'll get exposed to a level of profesionalism they won't here. And then when it comes time to leave the youth academies they can stay there to continue their quest to play pro ball or come back and play here.

 

When you're talking about Europe and our youth going there early, for every John O'Brien there seems to be around three players that don't end up making it. Donovan, Twellman and Salyer just couldn't hack Germany, and it was partly because of poor youth management by their respective clubs. Perhaps we need to be shipping our young more to Holland and less to Germany. Ajax WAS VERY PATIENT with JOB. However, Dolinsky came back from Feyenoord and then Herenveen. A young player needs to be mentally strong when they're not getting PT, and obviously that's lacking in a lot of our youth

Yes it is true that Twellman and Donnovan couldnt earn enough playing time overseas, but that doesnt change the fact that they developed into excellent players during their time overseas. In terms of player development, I think players overseas have a much better chance of developing into stars then players left in here in the states. I have no problem with a player entering into a foreign clubs youth system and training until he reaches an age where he would like first team football and then makes his way back to the states as a marquee player. (i.e. Donnovan, Twellman)