The U.S. Immigration Catch-All Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by THOMA GOL, Apr 23, 2010.

  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    This graph stood out in an Atlantic article about Myanmar pol and former human rights activist, Aung San Suu Kyi. Donnie's rhetoric is reaching around the world. In this case the "immigration" of the repressed Rohingya minority. After government pogroms, thousands were forced out to Bangladesh.

    I sked Thaung Tun about the Rohingya. They would be welcomed back from the camps, he said, but would have to prove that they are from Myanmar. “You have the same issue in the southern United States,” he said. “If they want to come, it has to be an orderly process … In Texas they say, ‘We need this wall because we can’t have them all coming in, but we need some of them to come in and work.’ ”

    And this all sounds familiar:

    Nationalism, the spread of authoritarianism, an illiberal American administration, fears of terrorism, a society ravaged by social media—as these roiling currents swirl around Myanmar, Suu Kyi has been unwilling to rise above them. In June, she met with Viktor Orbán, the autocratic leader of Hungary, publicly allying with him on the challenge of managing Muslim immigration.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/09/what-happened-to-aung-san-suu-kyi/594781/
     
  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Ken Cucinelli (obviously a 20th generation Mayflower-'Merican) said the Lazarus poem should be changed to "give me your tired, your poor. Those with trust funds and advanced college degrees"

    Would you also agree that Emma Lazarus's words etched on the Statue of Liberty, 'Give me your tired, give me your poor,' are also a part of the American ethos?" NPR's Rachel Martin asked Cuccinelli on "Morning Edition" in an interview published Tuesday.

    "They certainly are: 'Give me your tired and your poor who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge,'" he replied. "That plaque was put on the Statue of Liberty at almost the same time as the first public charge was passed -- very interesting timing."


    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/13/politics/ken-cuccinelli-statue-of-liberty/index.html

    These loads fundamentally don't understand America.
     
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  3. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    Well in reality the statue of liberty has not ever lived to what it is written on it.

    Unless you were white European.

    The fiirst immigration law passed in the USA was 1882 to limit Chinese immigration, the statue of liberty was completed in 1884 and delivered in 1885.

    So the writings have always been obsolete.


    https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline



    https://www.infoplease.com/askeds/transporting-statue-liberty
     
  4. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    https://www.motherjones.com/politic...ration-rule-might-have-blocked-his-ancestors/

    According to the family tree, Cuccinelli’s great-grandfather Dominic Cucciniello was born in 1875 in the south of the newly formed nation of Italy and came to the United States in 1896. On his 1930 census form, Dominic, then a 54-year-old US citizen, stated that he was a laborer and homeowner in Hoboken, New Jersey. At the time, the census gauged Americans’ wealth and status by asking whether they owned a radio; Dominic did not. By the time of the 1940 census, he had bought a home in Jersey City worth $5,000, about $90,000 in today’s money. He appeared to be retired at 65 after completing zero years of schooling.

    He had made a life for his family in America, despite being the type of person the new public charge rule might exclude. Charles Kuck, a Georgia-based lawyer and former president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, says that in light of Cuccinelli’s likely family history, “Cuccinelli has no idea what he is talking about and would just as happily exclude and deport his own family.”

    Dominick Cuccinelli, a son of Dominic Cucciniello, was born in 1910 in New Jersey, but only barely. Ken Cuccinelli Jr.’s grandfather was conceived in Italy and then born in a home in Hoboken, according to an email from Ken Sr. that Ken Jr. posted to Facebook in 2011. Dominick was a US citizen by birthright and went on to complete five grades of school. In 1940, he was an unemployed truck driver who had been looking for work for five weeks. He had worked a total of 16 weeks the year before, earning $350 in total. (The average income in the United States that year was $1,368.) Still, his situation was not unusual in the wake of the Great Depression, when unemployment averaged 18 percent throughout the 1930s. Ken Sr. wrote in the 2011 email that Dominick “was a diligent worker that was not stopped by injuries, illness, or other maladies that often would take his peers out of the game.”

     
  5. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    video of a peaceful protest at an ICE facility



    abolish ICE, replace it with something that doesn't have a thoroughly rotten culture.
     
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  6. soccernutter

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    that is what needs to happen, doesn't matter the name of the organization.
     
  7. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Eric Schlosser tells non-Trumpers what we all know about immigration - it's all about the $ and easily exploitable workforce.

    As The Washington Post and others have noted, immigrants to the United States are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans. Far from being a drain on the American economy, immigrants have become an essential component of it. According to a recent study by the Center for a Livable Future at Johns Hopkins University, “The industrial produce and animal production and processing systems in the U.S. would collapse without the immigrant and migratory workforce.” The handful of multinational companies that dominate our food system are hardly being forced to employ immigrant workers. These firms have for many years embraced the opportunity to exploit them for profit...

    ...All three books reached the same conclusion: What Trump has described as an immigrant “invasion” was actually a corporate recruitment drive for poor, vulnerable, undocumented, often desperate workers.

    One of the poultry plants that Stuesse explored, in the small town of Morton, Mississippi, was raided last week. B. C. Rogers, the company that owned the plant in 1994, launched a hiring drive that year called “The Hispanic Project.” Its goal was to replace African American workers, who were seeking a union, with immigrant workers who’d be more pliant. It placed ads in Miami newspapers, arranged transportation for immigrants, and charged them for housing in dilapidated trailers. Within four years, it had brought roughly 5,000 mainly Latino workers to Morton and another meatpacking town in Mississippi, enlarging their population by more than 50 percent. The poultry industry expanded throughout the rural South during the 1990s, drawn by the warm climate and the absence of labor unions. Tens of thousands of immigrant workers soon arrived to cut meat. Charlotte S. Alexander, an associate professor at the Georgia State College of Law put it succinctly: “In the poultry industry, location is a labor practice.”

    The immigrant workers arrested in Mississippi the other day were earning about $12.50 an hour. Adjusted for inflation, during the late 1970s, the wages of meatpacking workers in Iowa and Colorado were about $50 an hour.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...ion-was-a-corporate-recruitment-drive/596230/
     
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  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/conservative-christians-immigration

    Interesting article about the irony of conservative Christians being so hard line about immigration.

    It's not the cliché I expected, namely, that even the Old Testament has many references to the instruction to treat "sojourners" well. And obviously the NT is even more pro-immigrant.

    But that's not where this article went. Instead, it pointed out that illegal immigrants are mostly Latin American Christians, while legal immigrants are very often from non-Christian nations.

    If Christians are really concerned about America going down the European route of a deChristianized society, they would see Latinos as a bulwark against that.
     
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  9. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

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    To a lot of so-called Evangelicals, the argument that many of the Latino immigrants are Catholic and increase the number and influence of "Christians" in the US is a bogus one, since they consider Catholics to be worse heathens than Jews or Muslims.
     
  10. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
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    Another irony, if an article I read recently is to be believed, is that by the 3rd and 4th generation, voters of Mexican and Central American ancestry are significantly more likely to vote GOP.

    But I guess current Republicans don't feel they can wait that long.
     
  11. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    True enough, but most of the "de-Christianized" Europe that they fret about consisted of predominantly Catholic nations, with England and Germany being the notable exceptions.
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    A man was suing his employer for $200K in unpaid back wages. (He was a chef at restaurant that went bankrupt.) ICE picked him up at the courthouse, which sure was a lucky break for the defendant in the lawsuit!

    They say I shot a man named Gray
    Took his wife to Italy
    She inherited a million bucks
    And when she died it came to me
    Can't help it if I'm lucky

    Then there's this

    1163850192258383874 is not a valid tweet id
     
  13. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I dunno, evangelicals seem just fine with Steve Bannon. As long as a white guy is bashing immigrants and/or POCs, I think he'll pass the evangelicals' purity test.
     
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  14. Smurfquake

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    That's a pretty amazing coincidence, that two different employers who hired undocumented workers and stiffed them on pay and got sued for it, would happen to have their undocumented workers picked up by ICE. Really surprising coincidence.
     
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  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Are implying something?
     
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  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    WE'RE HIRING! signs were up quickly according to news reports
     
  17. dapip

    dapip Member+

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  18. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
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    The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.

    George Orwell
     
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  19. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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  20. dapip

    dapip Member+

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  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    ICE is building an urban warfare training facility at Fort Benning.

    You’re probably reading this and thinking, I know English, i recognize all the words, but that doesn’t make sense. Is this a mad lib?

    No. It is not.

    Abolish ICE, like you’d amputate a gangrenous foot.
     
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  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    I assume this is less fantastical that you imagine.
     
  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Yes, quite.
     
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  24. luftmensch

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    Border Wall Climbing Competition

     
  25. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    https://www.newsweek.com/ice-hyper-realistic-training-facility-homes-chicago-arizona-1458721

    New ICE employees had already been expected to receive training at the Maneuver Center of Excellence in Fort Benning, where ICE's Office of Training and Tactical Programs (OTTP) Firearms and Tactics Division "makes its home," according to a May 2017 news release published online by ICE.

    Breaking down "what takes place" at Benning, ICE Division Chief Bert Medina said in a statement included in the release that ICE trains "experienced law enforcement personnel in the use of force and existing weapons in application of force."

    "In addition, we provide law enforcement instructors [with] the skills and abilities to teach use of force and defensive techniques with and without weapons so they can prepare ICE officers on the front lines of federal law enforcement to perform their duties safely and in accordance with standards," Medina said.

    The new training facility at Fort Benning would support those teams with training that allows them to "experience combat conditions in a training environment that truly reflects real-world conditions, but in a controlled, duplicatable, and dynamic setting."

     
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