The U.S. Immigration Catch-All Thread [R]

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DHS is trying to subpoena various social media companies to get information about the holders of accounts that are anti ICE.

The ranking minority members of the various House and Senate committees should make public statements that if they hold the gavel in 2027, they will hold hearings on potential abuses. Make Zuckerberg and Musk etc. realize that the era of unilateral disarmament is over. Make them tell their legal departments to follow the law and not engage in precompliance.

 

Yes, we have a casual acceptance of violence, we have more guns than people, mass shootings are the norm, and we love us some MMA/UFC so much so that we're about to turn the White House lawn into a gladiator arena.

But of course, our experiences shape our views, and they're not always fixed over a lifespan. For instance, I too thought the death penalty should be 100% abolished until I sat through a brutal capital murder trail (1988) which was particularly gruesome and horrific. It took 10 years to track down the murderers and bring them to justice, I saw up close how their senseless violence ripped apart a family that I loved, and I would've been A-OK with those sorry bastards getting death over life in prison.

 

The ads in November will write themselves



https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3meucnwgbrs2o

 

Maybe Jeffries was sideswiped a bit here. But Dems should be running on completely re-vamping ICE and not allowing it to be Donnie's personal goon squad.



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This is turning into the defund the police all over again. It's why I hate shortened slogans like this.

What exactly does Abolish ICE mean in reality? That needs to be expanded upon and messaged accordingly.

Clearly what Trump is doing is terrible and horrific. But, so is no ICE.

There exists a huge chasm of options resting between those choices.

 

There needs to be something like ICE, but it doesn’t have to be called that.

I think it would be a great idea to dissolve the org and build an entirely new one with a clear charter and purpose that specifically. Everyone who works in the org will have to reapply. Maybe even grandfather in time in the previous org.

I don’t believe the ship can be righted.

 

This year the left in America is rolling with Abolish the Democrats!

It's going to be lit.

 

Or sometimes we want to rid our society of brutally sadistic murderers, and we'd like to encourage others not to follow in their footsteps. And sometimes we may be gripped with the emotion that comes from seeing innocent people brutally victimized. So, maybe it's precisely because we do respect life. If you've never sat through something like that, it may be hard for you to truly empathize.

 

Some doubts about the death penalty being a solution:

a) Our history of using it against innocent people, especially by law officials. No chance to overturn that miscarriage of justice, like others who were exonerated after decades of unjust imprisonment. The criminal got one charge less to their name. No justice for the criminal's victim either.

b) *Encouragement* goes both ways: criminals will escalate to murder hoping to eliminate any surviving victims.

c) Convenient for authoritarian govt's: sends the political message that Your gov't is here for Your safety. Then, it is applied to eliminate political enemies and *unwanted* minorities. Such regimes must justify their iron fist rule and the dead penalty is a perfect tool.

A life for a life is an appealing rule for society, but I recall regimes applying it against the innocent while claiming to protect the innocent.

 

Yes, it's a complex issue and there are valid arguments on both sides. And, one's own experience can shape one's own views, of course.

 

Somehow I lost the important bolded part. I guess you all understood where I was going.

 

ICE as an institution isn’t old enough to rent a car, right? It’s a post 9/11 creation, is what I’m saying.

 

Look at you agreeing with Karl Marx!

"The mode of production of material life determines the social, political and intellectual life process in general". —Karl Marx

 

The idea that an agency less than a quarter century old can’t be abolished doesn’t make sense. It wasn’t necessary for 225 years of American history.

 

there already is something like ICE.. It is called the FBI and US Marshall Service. Seriously, a lot of the issues being caused by ICE would be resolved if it were FBI agents/US Marshalls performing the tasks. The FBI and US Marshalls gets actual warrants, they don't go around randomly ramming vehicles on the suspicion that they might be undocumented, they don't (generally) get in confrontations with civilians that result in them shooting people, etc, etc. By and large, the FBI's agents are highly trained, they have established procedures for legally detaining people and they don't randomly grab people off the street.

 

Yeah… That seems like overkill to have such a highly trained force in charge of deporting people who overstay their VISA or sneak in.

Most of these people are nonviolent, so I’d imagine that 99% of what this org would do is like parking cop duty.

The big money needs to be spent on beefing up the immigration courts: more buildings, more judges, more lawyers.

 

The militarization of domestic police forces is another thing that needs to be tackled. The whole look is intimidating and wrong.