The U.S. Immigration Catch-All Thread [R]

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

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    IMO there is no difference - as they are still making wild comments about 2 potential murder trials. Were DOJ ever to indict the shooter, they could have already compromised any future jury
     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Easy way around this for Vegas establishments

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  3. superdave

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    See, I was gonna go with, Bovino’s dwarfism is a disability and thus he’s in a protected class.
     
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  4. superdave

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    This tweet has a gift link to an NYT article documenting how the top brass at the FBI shut down the investigation into the Renee Good murder within hours.

    Basically, it confirms what I think we already know.

     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    New 5th circuit appeals ruling

    Without getting lost in the weeds, this is the change the Trump administration made: Despite 30 years of government practice, it re-interpreted a 1996 law to allow it to detain migrants anywhere in the country without a bond hearing. Previous administrations had only applied one section of the law in that way at the immediate border. Everywhere else, under a different section of the law, undocumented immigrants were allowed to be released and were entitled to a bond hearing before deportation.

    Federal judges around the country — faced with a resultant wave of habeas petitions — have widely rejected the Trump administration’s interpretation of the law. The 5th Circuit accepted the administration’s new interpretation and its decision applies within Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi to “every undocumented immigrant who originally entered across the border, no matter how many decades in the past,” notes one expert.

    “The ruling is nonsensical and wrong, but it is also particularly horrifying in this moment. The consequences are all the more alarming, building, as it would, on the Supreme Court’s shadow docket order that unleashed Kavanaugh stops, ultimately, across the nation,” Chris Geidner wrote in reaction to the
    ruling.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/a-brutal-5th-circuit-ruling-promises-more-ice-chaos
     
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  7. xbhaskarx

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    50% of American voters wanted this and 40% proudly support it to this day...

    Irishman detained by Ice appeals to Taoiseach to raise case with Trump amid ‘torture’

    Originally from Glenmore, Co Kilkenny, he is married to a US citizen and owns a plastering business in the Boston area. He was arrested on September 9th, 2025, and has been in an Ice detention facility in Texas for nearly five months, despite having no criminal record, “not even a parking ticket”.

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  8. soccernutter

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    The lawfare pod I posted last week (first third of this https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/rational-security---the-story-of-three-warrants--edition) covers this in more detail and nuance. What is at issue here is how administrative warrants* are being used. Typically, they had been used in limited areas, such as with health care cases and child porn cases, where they were document heavy and/or time sensitive (such as with IP addresses, in the case of child porn cases). But otherwise, they are almost never used, ever. But this changed with the Trump admin, based on the directive ICE (DHS as a whole?) gave in that memo reported on that nobody is allowed to handle/copy outside a specific room. What that memo said was that administrative warrants can be used to arrest individuals suspected of being here illegally even within a home, whether or not it is that person's living address. In that way, it is violating the 4th, so said multiple courts around the country.

    Only not in areas that fall under the 5th Circuit or the 8th Circuit. The 8th covers Minnesota, hence the invasion in Minneapolis and St. Paul, and not elsewhere (think LA or Chicago or Portland). Thus, this ruling was not unexpected.

    * - for those not aware, an administrative warrant is basically an in-house warrant. A LEO will go to an in-house attorney and ask for legal justification to perform a search, and the in-house attorney has to sign off - an administrative warrant, not a court ordered warrant (federally termed as coming form a Article 3 court as in Article 3 of the US Constitution). But it's use has been, historically, very, very, very limited.
     
  9. ceezmad

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    A court in California rejected a new law that would require ICE agents to not wear face masks, but left the door open to accepting it if the State mandates it for all police forces in the state. (The law as passed discriminates against federal officers vs other officers in the state according to the judge)

    He allows the requirements to allow names of agents to be displayed.

     
  10. Belgian guy

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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...zilian-influencer-junior-pena-arrested-by-ice

    Possibly should be crossposted in the "leopards eating faces" topic too.
     
  11. soccernutter

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    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/10/ice-immigration-detention-court-orders-00771727

    Courts across the country have overwhelmingly rejected the Trump administration’s effort to round up thousands of immigrants and lock them up without a chance for bond — even if they have no criminal records and have lived in the United States for years.

    But the Trump administration has slow-walked or outright defied judges’ orders demanding the release of people scooped up by Immigration and Customs Enforcement at an increasingly rapid clip.

    Sometimes, ICE has raced detainees across state lines in ways judges say are designed to thwart legal proceedings. Other times, they’re detaining people for days or weeks after judges have ordered them released. ICE officials have at times ignored other arms of the federal government trying to ensure compliance with court orders. And sometimes the administration has given judges bad or incomplete information.

    Cheney looks in detail at what ICE is doing.
     
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  12. rslfanboy

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  13. dapip

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    Is it feasible for citizens/aliens with legal status to sue the government for mistreatment, breach of stablished conditions (not a lawyer, but say, they deport someone even if he/she was in a legal process) or for violation of their constitutional rights?

    The way ICE is behaving and the amount of times that they simply ignore any custom, precedent and legal orders, should give enough material for lawyers to look for juicy compensations and sanctions against DHS. I know that not every lawyer has the stomach or the time for this type of confrontation, but at the same time, I'm a little surprised that we have not heard of any cases being filed.
     
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  14. soccernutter

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    Are you talking about monetary rewards?
     
  15. dapip

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    Yes, that too, but more than rewards, make ICE pay for their malfeasence. Hopefully if there are enough cases, it can become a class action or something that costs them.
     
  16. rslfanboy

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    I highly recommend this read:
    https://www.propublica.org/article/habeas-petitions-immigrant-detentions-trump

    Habeas petitions have skyrocketed. ICE keeps moving detainees around, because they have to refile every time they are moved to a different state.

    Despite the nursing 5th circuit’s ruling that bond hearings are only for those who entered the country legally…
    Here’s the haves tracker they are publishing:
    https://projects.propublica.org/habeas-tracker/
     
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  17. soccernutter

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    I might be misremembering, but I think the class was either minimized or rejected. The problem opponents of the detention are having is that the arrested are being moved around from state to state (region to region) and things need to be filed in different courts. Also, as was noted somewhere (Serious Trouble? Lawfare? Main Justice? those are all legal podcasts) is that the surge in Minnesota has been done partially because of the conservative 8th Circuit (that being in addition to the racism aspect). They withdrew from LA because of rulings against them, but not so with the 8th and the 5th. So, any class at this point would have have to pass the 8th, which is going to be difficult. @yossarian can give a better legal description.

    That said, I asked him previously if the courts could do anything to force the hand of ICE. And he said there wasn't much, legally. But what we did see was one of the judges call in an ICE director to his court to answer questions as to why detainees were not being released per court orders. The court cancelled that session because all the detainees were subsequently released. Seems to have been a legal version of political pressure, and suggests this could happen in the future.

    But none that really addresses the question of arrests in the first place, nor the seemingly purposeful non-compliance with court rulings. Nor addresses ICE releasing people to unsafe conditions and locations. It is so frustrating that there does not seem to be repercussions that the ICE personnel are going to face during this administration.
     
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  18. soccernutter

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    Related, on Lawfare Kyle Cheney talks to Roger Parloff about what is happening, and how many are arrested/detained.

    https://www.lawfaremedia.org/articl...res.-trump-s-mandatory-alien-detention-policy

    The episode is a more detailed conversation on the Politico article I posted a few posts above
     
  19. Yoshou

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    Time for the courts to start holding ICE officials in contempt and throwing them in jail.
     
  20. dapip

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    This is heartbreaking and let it be a tale for all visitors. 13 yo Colombian girl with valid tourist ViSA has been held in detention for close to 4 months, to lure her mom who lives in NY.

     
  21. ElNaranja

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    The Supreme said national injunctions aren't a thing anymore, which is why ICE is moving people around like this. Combined with KavenaughStops, it's just chaos out there.
     
  22. ElNaranja

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    Don't remember seeing this:

    https://www.latintimes.com/four-hai...o-they-have-now-been-found-decapitated-594261

    I know this is what Miller wants but damn man.

    Also, this is....a choice:

     
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  23. Naughtius Maximus

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    Is she 9 or 13?

    Either way, isn't that kidnapping if she has a valid tourist visa?
     
  24. dapip

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    9. I mixed it up with the number of days in detention. And yes, this is a crime.
     
  25. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

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    That's going to leave some trauma for her to deal with for a lifetime. It's just heartless.
     
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