The U.S. Immigration Catch-All Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by THOMA GOL, Apr 23, 2010.

  1. ElNaranja

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    Holy smokes dude now you're being obtuse. They didn't start Day 1 by gunning people down. Hell, here's reports from 1933 of him getting the ball rolling:

    Or how about this list of over 2000 stories covering the Catholic POV of what we would later call the Holocaust from beginning to end?

    The Seattle Times reporting on it?

    Or how about the NYT covering concentration camps in 1937?

    No, people weren't calling it the Holocaust just yet but how evil the man was was widely reported in the press, including his actions that we would later describe as such.
     
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  2. superdave

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    Maybe I’m being obtuse, but you’re being flat out wrong. I’m ok with that difference.

    Since the main reason we are talking about this is to see what we can learn from history, I think it’s important to get the history right. You prefer getting the vibes right.
     
  3. Belgian guy

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    I think things would be pretty ********ing bad already once Trump reaches the Franco in 1937 stage. By 1937, the White Terror had cost over 100000 lives. Entire villages wiped out, sometimes sparing young children, sometimes not even showing that much mercy.
     
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  4. Belgian guy

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    I do believe that if the devolution of norms is not stopped, the Trump regime might be headed that way.
     
  5. KCbus

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    I've been thinking about this church protest for a couple of days, and I haven't really said much yet, so I'm going to do it here.

    I'm really not a fan of doing this.

    I despise religion. Leaving alone some of the scandals that have been produced inside the Catholic Church itself, I think religion is a poison on humanity.

    It's delusional thinking that holds back rational thinking. It drains motivation to improve life on Earth because they think that God has a plan or because they think Earth is just a staging area for another life. And it gets in the way of progress, because it spurns the LGBT community, it holds back medical progress (such as stem cell research) and discourages people from taking climate change seriously.

    It's also responsible for some of the worst events in human history, as many of them have been committed by people who believed they were on missions from a higher power.

    And I'm sick to goddamned death of religious people using THEIR religion to tell ME what I can or can't do.

    But even though a lot of religious people have no respect for my right to be free from their religion, I absolutely respect their right to HAVE religion. So as a general rule, I think harassing people at their place of worship is generally uncouth and should be considered out of bounds.

    However...

    When a pastor at a church is also a member of ICE, an agency which is acting as Brownshirts for a fascist arm of a wannabe dictator, and is behaving in one of the most un-Christian ways you can think of, I think it puts protesting at the church on the playing field. I do. When you're going to be a part of persecuting a specific sub-set of people to further a political agenda, you can't turn around and bitch when we point out your hypocrisy.

    Churches have been sticking their noses into politics, government and the private lives of Americans for decades (if not longer). But apparently, they think it's unfair that the shoe was on the other foot one time. Boo hoo.

    And to think they want these people prosecuted... please. ICE has literally waited in church parking lots to take people away, and they don't seem to have any complaints about that, so I don't care if one church service got disrupted by an anti-ICE protest. Suck it up, buttercup.
     
  6. Yoshou

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    And where were these complaints about attacks on Christianity when it was ICE agents that were targeting churches with a majority of minority parishioners.

    https://www.wpr.org/news/milwaukee-lutheran-church-sues-trump-ice-raids-houses-worship
     
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  7. Deadtigers

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    But this is the same government that can't find mine formation when I need it to or I have to wait weeks and weeks for a new passport card. It's never been about the resources it's always been about the priorities.
     
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  8. superdave

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    They were coming from liberals
     
  9. Belgian guy

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  10. chaski

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  11. rslfanboy

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    These people should be stripped of their citizenship and dropped off in Chad or wherever, just like they’ve done to others. Everyone involved writing it, promoting it, and carrying it out.
     
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  12. diablodelsol

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  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Nambia has plenty of room
     
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  14. chaski

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    Greenland has lots of ICE.
     
  15. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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  16. lil_one

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    Unsurprisingly, ICE agents in Minnesota have not been following the judge's orders to stop using chemical agents and rubber bullets on peaceful protesters and observers. But, they've also had the appeals court take their side at least for the moment; the appeals court has blocked the injunction while they decide on a longer-term stay: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-ap...estraining-immigration-agents-use-2026-01-21/

    Meanwhile, this observer was detained and pepper sprayed directly in the face after he was already on the ground with his hands behind him. F***k these guys, they're going to blind someone else:

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    Video of the incident seen on Reddit where Redditors claim that the unmasked agent in this photo has been caught pepper spraying protesters with the intent to cause injury (directly in the face) at least 3x: https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qjfxbj/ice_pepper_sprays_pinned_man_in_the_face_12126/
     
  17. superdave

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    This tweet has a gift link to an op ed from Radley Balko. He says what ICE is and has been doing is fundamentally different from previous* instances of police brutality.

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    *he actually says since Ferguson; he’s not comparing it to the Jim Crow South at its worst, or settler treatment of indigenous people
     
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  18. superdave

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  19. Auriaprottu

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    Speaking of immigrants- well, in this case, the children of immigrants... I just Wiki'd Usha Vance. She's so damn much more talented than the White mother ********er she married it ain't even funny
     
  20. dapip

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    https://www.latimes.com/california/...4-IXM4dgcSmvKr29Y8_aem_4bx7hVy9WIcWy_zSx9Ckog

    Flores faced up to 15 years in prison if convicted on charges of conspiracy to commit theft from interstate and foreign shipment and theft from interstate and foreign shipment. He pleaded not guilty.

    But, in a complicated sequence of events, Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported Flores on or about Dec. 29, according to his attorney, John D. Robertson. In a Jan. 9 motion to dismiss the case against Flores, Robertson said he had “just learned” his client had been deported.

    The jewelers victimized by the crime are indignant.

    “When a defendant in a major federal theft case leaves the country before trial, victims are left without answers, without a verdict, and without closure,” said Jerry Kroll, an attorney for some of the jewelry companies.
     
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  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Fear, control, squashing dissent. They DGAF if Libs are injured or killed. Truly a low point in modern American history.

    "The lies this administration is telling about Ms. Good aren’t those you deploy as part of a cover-up. They’re those you use when you want to show you can get away with anything. They’re a projection of power."
     
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  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Even Melanie had some great poledancing skillz BITD
     
  23. Kryptonite

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    MAGA thinks her talents belong in the kitchen, supporting her home.
     
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  24. Auriaprottu

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    She gave up a promising legal career to be a fat, eyeliner-wearing, couch-fuuxking predator's beard.
     
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