The Trump supporters thread

Gavin Newsom banning homeless encampments, UK Labour mandating English speaking, Trump negotiating hostage releases without Israel...

Up is down, down is up, and liberals don't know how to react or respond to any of it. Case in point, right now Kamala is far and away leading the field for 2028.

 

Giuliani was leading the field early in the 2008 GOP primaries because of name recognition.

 

"NO MANUFACTURING MOVED BACK TO THE US!!!" he shrieks. "OHMAGAWD HE CAVED"

The LOL tweet above is from a random Democratic pollster who can only see as far in front of him as his face. Most of Trump's moves regarding international trade are about the long term ramifications and reset of the United States' economic positioning, both domestically and abroad. The "30% tariff is still a tax on Americans" line sounds like something a 4th grader might argue.

 

Will they even be around in 2028?

1922008122719346727 is not a valid tweet id

 

Impeachment or a loss of support would be 2 actions. You dony think blatant corruption wouldn't provide grounds for either?

Sure those things will always exist , but one side likes to poor gas on the fire and weaponize it.

In 2016 you had every flavor in The GOP Primary. Evangelicals, Technocrats, Libertarians, Established politicians, etc.

You by a sizeable margin picked the guy who built his campaign on the birther conspiracy, banning Muslims, and demonizing Mexicans

If a candidate on stage calls for a ban on Muslims entering the country to a room full of cheers. What am I supposed to think of that candidate, that room, and the people who support him?

You're trying to give off the impression of nuanced views , yet essentially saying people who are friendly can't be bigots lol.

Someone might be a loving parent, a good neighbor, and a fun guy to share a table with at a wedding but if that person supports a Muslim Ban, thinks gay people shouldn't have the same rights as them, or likes to make up stories about Haitian immigrants, that person is likely a bigot.

Am I wrong in that?

 

Impeachment or loss of support is totally understandable. That said, Trump is in his final term so both of those only go so far if they come to pass. But I agree, we should always do things first and foremost with America's interests in mind. So the jury remains out on this whole plane thing.

You are not wrong about your statement about gay rights. Friendly people can obviously be bigots, and it's hard to eradicate that from society, I certainly won't make excuses for it when and where it is a genuine belief. The problem is that Democrats like yourself always assume every conservative immigration stance is based on racism. They do so because they are lazy and they have found it easier to attract votes by calling it such.

My in-laws are conservative, support Trump, and adopted a foster child who is Hispanic. My brother-in-law's parents are conservative, support Trump, and have a daughter adopted from Ethiopia. That was not born out of racism or bigotry, but rather compassion, they are both cherished members of the family.

Is the UK making English mandatory or imposing stricter immigration rules based on racism? Is Denmark's strict immigration law based on racism? Of course not. They are practical measures to help ensure that immigrants are going to be productive members of society after admission and well integrated into their new countries.

Democrats have long weaponized the conversation over immigration to their advantage by lobbying accusations of racism (sometimes founded, but by and large not), but as we saw during the 2024 campaign, that backfired, and Republicans are as a result doing a better job of diversifying their coalition.

 

Okay so I do think I've gotten you to say that this plane thing is let's say "ethically icky" and in theory if it was proven it was used as some sort of quid pro quo, it would be grounds for impeachment?

So you've agreed that nice people can be bigots yet, immediately go back the anecdotes of people doing nice things.

I'm just gonna give you 4 statements, tell me just yes or no if you think they're an indicator of the person saying them being a bigot.

"Muslims should be banned from entering The United States"

"Barack Obama was not born here"

"Gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married"

"Haitian immigrants are eating our pets and poisoning the blood of this country"

 

There was dubious but unproven quid pro quo going on in the last administration too, and it dated back to his time in the Senate.

Other than the gay marriage one (agreed by Barack Obama at one point), I need to know the context behind each of the statements.

What is the reasoning behind banning Muslims? If it's temporarily banning people from Muslim-dominant countries due to perceived security risks in those countries and not just because they practice Islam, then we can have a reasoned debate about it without being bigoted.

As far as Obama not being born in the US or the Haitian immigrants, I don't find that particularly bigoted, just factually incorrect. Sometimes people read things and just believe it, like the Russian collusion hoax.

 

I mean a transfer of an entire plane seems pretty clear lol. It might be harder to prove he got something for it, but you seem to have started out in this thread saying there's nothing wrong with taking the plane, and now you're very quickly walking it back and reverting to your normal "The Democrats" deflecting

So I will point out the majority of Republicans (at least based off the most recent party split polling I can find) opposes gay marriage.

So would you take issue with me suggesting The GOP has issues with homophobia?

Just hypothetically this person supported a full and complete ban of Muslims on entering The United States (regardless of where they came from) until we figure out what the hell is going on

Ah so you don't think a suggestion that the first black President of The United States was a secret Kenyan, might have something to do with racism. Of course you don't

 

No, I don't see anything wrong with taking the plane in and of itself, provided no favors done in return that run counter to our national interest.

I do take issue with your suggestion somewhat. I won't deny that some genuine homophobia does exist in the GOP, however I won't begrudge those who are deeply religious and believe the gay lifestyle runs counter to God's law (as is the case in Judaism and Islam). They are taught that God hates the sin, but still loves the sinner, and that's where I believe most of the polling you see on that comes from. I deeply respect the courage of gays who understand that and still vote R, as people on the left can be vicious about perceived "traitors".

 

Well earlier I got you to at least admit is was ethically gray, but I guess now there's nothing wrong with it. Got it.

So it's okay to vote for a minority group to have their rights stripped away as long as it's on religious grounds? So gay people shouldn't accuse The GOP of being homophobic because the reasons for it are legit in your eyes?

I also noticed you didn't respond to the birther and Muslim questions

 

Well because you ask a lot of questions. Why does my opinion mean so much to you anyway? I'm literally just one person. It's a pointless exercise because your opinion will not change and my opinion will not change.

I'm more than happy to give you the satisfaction of "winning" because I genuinely do not have the stamina to go back and forth on a tit for tat all day long, especially with someone who isn't genuinely curious about my beliefs. I'll conclude by saying your party has a lot of work to do if you expect to be relevant into the next generation. Have a good one.

 

So David Hogg said something this weekend about how Dems are the party of scolds and they’re too hard in white men.

One of the many things Trumpism represents is one of Fox’ and talk radios long term projects (making white men feel like we’re victims) being triumphant.

Now, all the non fascists in this forum realize that while white men have lost ground in the last 60 years, we’re not disadvantaged. We’re just less advantaged. But people are stupid and there is a swath of white voters who honestly feel disadvantaged.

Really, that’s a lot of what the leopards eating faces thing is about…many white people honestly thought “they” (women, immigrants, gays, blacks) were getting all of these special benefits not available to them, and they honestly (albeit very stupidly) thought we could radically cut spending on social welfare just by cutting “their” “special” benefits.

I don’t think it’s a fixable problem, at least by any method other than those stupid, blinkered folks dying off. It’s easier than it’s ever been for stupid people to lock themselves into an information bubble and bask in unchallenged ignorance.

There’s a saying that science progresses one funeral at a time. It’s more or less also true about equality too.

 

I genuinely try to engage Trump supporters, but very often when I do I find my worst suspicions confirmed. Would you rather me return to my echo chambers lol?

I am someone who believes the modern right wing movement in America is largely fueled on hate. A stance I'm sure you would mock

Anytime I try to engage Trump supports on this it's always such bad faith bullshit like, "Trump supporters aren't racist, because I know one that adopted and Ethiopian". It's funny to see you guys twist yourself into knots with things like "denying gay people rights isn't homophobic", "banning Muslims isn't Islamiphobic", or "the birther conspiracy has nothing to do with race"\

Come the ******** on lol. This is why you guys aren't taken seriously

 

This is just flat out fascism.

"When people come to our country, they should also commit to integration, to learning our language, and our system should actively distinguish between those that do and those that don't," PM Keir Starmer says

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— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) May 12, 2025

 

Someone needs his ego massaged..:

 

Wow. That’s right out of Spinal Tap. “Our y-axis goes up to 11. I mean, rather, 120.”

 

1. Cancel Biden's executive order on drug prices.
2. Create a crisis.
3. Write the same executive order.
4. Take credit.

MAGAs are the dumbest people on this planet.

— Alex Cole (@acnewsitics) May 12, 2025

 

And then the US government needs to take it apart to check for listening devices and then add all the defense mechanisms.

But it's FREE!!!

 

Wrong-o sir. No on gets put on ignore here unless they start lobbying personal insults or tagging other posters consistently unsolicited. Rather this is a place where plenty of liberals feel comfortable commenting, debating and everyone who stays on topic is not put on ignore. So I fail to see how that qualifies as a comparable echo chamber.

On the contrary, one conservative starts posting on the main P&CE thread and you all start boiling with rage and shrieking about how he must be ignored, and then commenting ad nauseum about how much you are ignoring the person you are supposedly ignoring.

A little hint: the fact that you are not actually ignoring those you claim to be ignoring will only further incentivize them to post in your echo chamber

 

Or if they refuse to answer questions that were not part of the discussion, such as when I did not answer your question about Obama when the topic was Homan and Trump lying.

In other words, you're lying again.