The Trump Presidency Nein: Leistung, Korruption und Lugen

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  1. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    The process for certifying the electoral college vote includes the provision that if one senator and one member of the house jointly object to a state’s result, the objection is thrown back to each chamber to debate and then vote to reject or uphold the objection. If the objection is upheld, that states electoral votes are thrown out.

    Furthermore, in the house the vote is not the full house. Each state congressional delegation gets 1 vote, regardless of the actual number or representatives they have.

    So if (Spartacus) the GOP hold the senate, and if they have 26 or more house delegations, they could object and throw out any State’s certified electoral college vote they choose.

    I’m not a lawyer. If I’m wrong on any of the above, please correct me.

    Given this GOP...I would not put it past them. And given this SCOTUS, Trump would be President. Honestly...I’m not sure what any SCOTUS could do about it.

    Perhaps the legal debate would be about whether there was a valid reason to object? But again...the scoreboard is 5-4 right now.
     
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  2. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

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    Hmmm, so what you're saying is that if, say, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Wisconsin all appear to be very close races, and between them, there is enough EVs to swing the election, they could pull a stunt like this. If there was one Senator and one Congressman in each of those states who objected, those states' House Reps and Senators would decide which way their votes go? And if the Repugs have a majority in those states, wail....

    Stupid Founding Fathers! Those idiots wrote these laws without even considering something like this could happen! They were too busy taking over the British-held airports that they took their eyes off the ball!
     
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  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Ugh. Still with the busninessman bullshit.

    He’s got a businessman’s common sense approach to most things,” Marcus told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution in a recent interview, which has been making the rounds on social media.

    “Now, do I agree with every move that he makes? No, I don’t,” the billionaire said. “But the truth is he has produced more than anybody else. He has. If we look at this country, I would say that we are better off today than we were eight years ago or six years ago.”

    https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/home-depot-shoppers-threaten-boycott-over-trump-supporting-co-founder/
     
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  4. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
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    I don't think it's a question of him following the rules, it's a question of him being forcibly removed if he tries to circumvent them.

    All the rest of the bullshit he has pulled can arguably be compared to things other presidents have done. We have allowed the power to be concentrated into the executive branch and this might be the catalyst to start reversing that trend.
     
  5. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

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    Such as? I think Nixon has been the previous yardstick, and even the worst things he did hardly compare.

    Oh, wait, I don't think I've ever seen Trump wearing a tan suit, so you're right, other presidents are just as bad...
     
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  6. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

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    But what about 2.5 years ago? Are we better off since Trump took office? Him saying 6 or 8 years ago isn’t a reflection of Trump.
     
  7. bigredfutbol

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    You're adorable.
     
  8. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    "Safe containing compact disks with labels" I bet there are famous politicians and celebrities on some of those disks.
     
  9. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

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    Orygun coast
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  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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  11. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
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    For anyone on a video there is no question in my mind. But then I'm not a polititian or his lawyer.
     
  12. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    I'll bet there are a lot more male than female politicians on those disks.
     
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  13. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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    I'm talking about the consolidation of power, not the infantile crap that gets posted in here most often, and it's been heading down this road for a while.

    https://www.vox.com/2015/3/3/8120965/american-government-problems
     
  14. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Epstein's phone book was leaked. Including Trumps contact numbers.



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  15. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Not those states deciding.

    The entire house and the entire senate...with the caveat that the total votes in the house are 50...1 state 1 vote.
     
  16. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Word salad. The only thing Trump has "produced' was the tax bill, which he didn't really have much to do with, but it passed and he signed it. He hasn't been able to get anything else passed because he doesn't know or care about any possible legislation.

    Other than that, his "production" consists of tweets and some tariffs.

    As for the country being better off than X years ago, it certainly was better off in 2016 than 2008, and this guy wouldn't ever give Obama a lick of credit for that, so there goes that argument. It's just code for "I vote Republican" or "I like guys who insult Mexicans."
     
  17. luftmensch

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    To be fair, I imagine this country is in much better shape from a billionaire's eye view.
     
  18. luftmensch

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    In which case the question becomes less what the president will do and more a question of what the deranged cultists who dote on him will do, especially if there are enough of them in positions of power to stir up trouble.
     
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  19. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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    I’ll bet the military isn’t going to support him overstaying.

    A group of amateurs with store bought guns wouldn’t be an issue but it would be ugly.

    And since that isn’t even a remote possibility, it’s dumb to even be thinking about.
     
  20. luftmensch

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    You're right, a bunch of overarmed undereducated religious fanatics living in their own alternate reality probably aren't anything to worry about.
     
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  21. Deadtigers

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    Welcome Aboard! I have said it before but I will again. Time after time he and supposed "independents" continue to give this administration the benefit of the doubt despite this administration providing no example that they are worthy of it. Runs right along with the Cruelty is not a key part of policy.
     
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  22. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
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    Jesus Christ. If you want to run around paranoid about stuff that has zero chance of happening, have at it. I’ll just shake my head at the stupidity as I lurk.
     
  23. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

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    Jan 7, 2010
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    So when Trump says he wants to be president for life, should we not take him seriously? And if you're suggesting that Trump was just joking, riddle me this: when has Trump ever told a joke? Everything he says, he believes. It's why he lies so much. As long as he says it, it's true, even if it's only the truth to him.
     
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  24. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Trump also talked about airports before airplanes were invented. In a prepared speech.

    At some point you will understand he just says shit that has no meaning.
     
  25. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

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    Jan 7, 2010
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    Should we take Donald Trump seriously? If the answer is "Not all the time," then when should we take him seriously?
     
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