The Trump Presidency Nein: Leistung, Korruption und Lugen

Well, but those aren't rules exactly, but more sort of guidelines...

 

This is different and you know it.

Overstaying his term or refusing to leave would be the end of the form of government we have enjoyed for generations.

There is zero chance that is going to happen and the more you talk about it the more nonsensical you sound.

 

We do NOT know that.

You can continue down that rat hole if you would like to simply keep yourself in a state of paranoia.

 

On the one hand I agree with you. Both sides have always done it.

On the other, Republicans over the last 25 years have basically stopped paying attention to laws and rules and have utterly defenestrated consensus and mos maiorum. You'll never go broke betting against Republican ruthlessness. As a minority party, it's literally the only way for them to maintain power, which they have proven repeatedly is the only thing they care about in the slightest. It is only a matter of time before this hurdle gets removed, like all the others.

 

We have seen the power of the office increase with every president regardless of party. When Obama was elected I also was told this was the end of the Republican party.

Same shit, different year.

Trump is a horrible president on multiple levels and I hope, when a Democrat is elected, the power of the office begins to be taken away, but I'm not holding my breath.

Are you?

 

Obama never threatened it. Republicans invented the concept out of whole cloth. Trump is the first to float that balloon. It came from his own mouth and he must be made afraid to take it any further.

 

I don't think the chance that Trump will outserve his term(s) is close to significant but I can't even imagine how high the screaming from Republicans would be if H Clinton or her supporters had said this during a H Clinton presidency.

 

I can't imagine the outcry would have been worse than the outcry we are seeing now over Trump.

I'm sure you will cite the validity of the current outcry, to which I agree, but it's there all the same.

 

I agree he is shameless but trying to hold over would get him either killed or arrested. I don't think his ego would allow that.

Do we know the process to forcibly remove a President outside of an impeachment? Is there a process?

 

I doubt there is a process but after 1/21/21 or 1/21/25 (the dates are approximations) he would become a trespasser if he stayed in the White House. I'm assuming anyone there with authority over who is in the White House could order him evicted or arrested.

 

Nonsense. The outcry over Obama not leaving office was louder than that of Trump doing the same ... and that is despite Obama never hinting that he liked presidencies for life, thought that it should be tried in the US, argued that his supporters might need him to stay on, re-tweeted posts showing him running for president 20 years in the future, etc. C'mon man, I get that you believe it is unlikely. Fair enough. But saying that Republicans would be no worse if the situations were reversed ... you are having a laugh.

 

Argh...

 

"Trump is not going to pull this shit because of, y'know, ROOOOLZ!"
"Yeah, like all the other rules they have dutifully followed"

"Trump, his corrupt AG who is his defacto personal lawyer and various other henchmen will claim a 'stolen election' and refuse to leave." And Sergei and Yuri will help them provide data to "prove" that this happened.

Please, O enlightened Independent Centrist, help a simple-minded lefty like me understand a couple of things that my pea-brain is having trouble comprehending.

So even though Trump has said hisseff that he "might not" leave office if defeated, it is "different" and "won't happen." You know this for a fact.

Yet "we don't know" that Trump and his pals won't try to do anything and everything to pull the wool over everyone's ears, simply because that is how they have always behaved?

Interesting theory. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

 

Although I'm leaning your way on stay or go. I don't share your belief that Trump will follow any rules. He hasn't in the last 21/2 years he's not likely to now.

 

FYP

 

His argument comes from faith. Your evidence is immaterial.

 

I hope we actually get to find out what happens when he loses the election. I wish I could share stanger's belief in rules, tradition, precedent, and protocol, but I can't.

How many times have people said "Surely Trump won't do X, because no President has ever done that. Certainly he'll follow the norms and conventions, because that's always been the standing traditions of the office, and everybody respects the Office, even if they disagree with the person who is currently occupying it."

Yeah, exactly.

 

No idea what t-rump will do. My guess is that if he refused to go, everyone would just stop taking orders from him, and he would stamp his feet like Rumpelstilskin.