The tricky play....

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by swissman, Mar 14, 2003.

  1. swissman

    swissman Member

    Sep 9, 2002
    Boston
    I can't remember what happened exactly, maybe someone can help me remember.

    I think a revs goalie either got injured or red carded... I believe Nick Downing ended up going in goal, they they some how managed to sub in a goalie again (even though they had already made all their substitutions?)...

    help...
     
  2. Scott Zawadzki

    Feb 18, 1999
    Midlothian, VA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I forget the exact events, but I can give you a similar scenario.

    MLS has (or had) a limit of 3 field player substitutions AND a 4th substitution that could only be used for the goalkeeper. What MAY have happened was that the REVs used all 3 field substitutions THEN their keeper was ejected from the match (red card). 2 rules of soccer you must keep in mind: 1) a team MUST have 1 player who is the goalkeeper on the field at all times and 2) a red carded player can not be substituted for. What must have happened is that the REVs used all three subs so they could sub their backup keeper for Downing who was a field player. THEREFORE, make Downing the goalkeeper and the REVs could sub him with their 4th (goalkeeper) substitution.

    If this is unclear, let me know and I'll try again. I'm typing between phone calls @ work.

    Scott
     
  3. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    From MLSnet, rules of the game:

    In MLS, each team is allowed three substitutions per game, plus an extra substitution for the goalkeeper. For example, if D.C. United wanted to put in a fresh `keeper late in the game, they can do so without using any of their three field subs. However, if their new goalkeeper is hurt during the game, they cannot replace him again. One of the field players must move back to take his spot!
     
  4. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I remember at least some of the details. The Revs were playing in Kansas City in 2001 and had made their 3 subs. I'm a little cloudy here, so anyone who remembers this, jump in any time.

    Someone (Harris, I think?) got injured, and the only way they could get around not playing a man down the rest of the way was to have Nick Downing and Jeff Causey switch positions, and then bring in a new "goalkeeper" to replace Downing. Then they switched back and Causey went back in the goal.

    Depending on your point of view, Clavijo was either a genius or a cheat. Adrian thought it was "a bit against the spirit of the Laws of the Game" but Doug argued that it was a smart way to get around playing in what would be a red-card situation, or risking further injury.

    Anyone remember more details?

    Tom
     
  5. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i remember that game. Because of that game, statistically speaking, Nick Downing is our best goalkeeper in Revs history.
     
  6. Coach_Barry

    Coach_Barry Member

    Aug 18, 2001
    Taunton, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Followed closely by Wolde Harris who also boasts a 0.00 GAA
     
  7. NER_MCFC

    NER_MCFC Member

    May 23, 2001
    Cambridge, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's the link to the MLSNet match report.

    http://www.mlsnet.com/games/01/0729nekc.html

    Tom Hill's description is pretty close. My opinion at the time was that the really goofy aspect of the whole event was that MLS has this dedicated goalkeeper substitution rule that most leagues don't. My vague memory is that the FIFA rule change (to remove the restriction of the 3rd substition to the goalkeeper only) took place before MLS started playing, and that MLS has always had the goalkeeper substition.

    Oh, and the Revs lost that game 2-0, which was the score at the time of the substition.
     
  8. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    Statistically speaking, is JMM our worst goalie ever, or don't shootout goals count?
     
  9. ProfZodiac

    ProfZodiac Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I remember another shootout where Causey was red-carded, and JMM went into goal against the Fusion. The Fusion won, but JMM almost got a save. It was kinda funny, in retrospect, but I belive it was the straw that broke the camel's back on the SO.

    Prof
     
  10. NER_MCFC

    NER_MCFC Member

    May 23, 2001
    Cambridge, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And he almost looked as though Causey's shirt wasn't 12 sizes too big.
     
  11. ProfZodiac

    ProfZodiac Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    However, as my mother says, almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

    Prof
     
  12. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    I heard that later on that year Jason Kreis took to the net in a shootout.

    And he didn't almost save anything.
     

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