The Transgender Discussion [Strictly Moderated]

Uh huh.

 

12.66 in the 100 is not blazing. IIRC fast HS girls are in high 11s or around 12.

Cromwell's Andraya Yearwood is a state champion in the 100 dash. Ran 12.66 to win in 1st appearance at Class M Championships. #cttrack pic.twitter.com/8RELfAEeLF

— Courant HS Sports (@CTVarsity) May 30, 2017

 

You ********ing ignorant bigot. I'm breaking my silence for this one post because of the bigotry you have demonstrated.

Study after study has demonstrated there is a biological difference between transgender women and cisgender men. Your ignorance is no excuse for your false information.

Your ignorance of the actual facts does not excuse your blatant bigotry. If you would simply educate yourself instead of repeating bigoted assumptions, maybe you could become a decent human being. Until then, your bigotry is appalling.

@Yoshou it is inexcusable at this point that you do not know the difference between intersex and transgender. Completely inexcusable. This is not the 1900s anymore and you don't live in some backwoods American location that relies on the Bible instead of science.

If you people haven't yet figured out why you have chased away basically all women and LGBT from this site, then maybe you should start reflecting upon that. The bigotry demonstrated in these last few pages is simply appalling.

You can all go to hell.

 

I certainly hope not, Trump will be there.

 

*nudgenudge* Already admitted I screwed up, man. I got lazy and did a google image search for “transgender olympic athletes” and her image was the first 4 or 5 on the list and the associated articles had headlines about transgender athletes.

 

I was thinking how nice it was to see you back.

 

One that results in decreased athletic ability? Post it here.
Nobody's taken exception to that sentence but you. I want to see one study that suggests an athletic difference. Why the hell would there be one? If you're not studying an already self-selected (meaning less athletic) group, there shouldn't be one.

Full disclosure: I know I'm shrinking the goalposts here, but athleticism is what I was always talking about.

Sounders, you have a habit of replying for a while and then stopping when someone can match you without rancor. I hope you don't do that today. These people aren't gay. They're transgender. I'm sick of explaining that this whole athletics thing is separate, but I'll continue to do so.

If you can tell me how an individual born with more potential athleticism than the average female doesn't have some athletic advantage over cisgender females, I'm willing to listen. But if you continue to call me a ********ing bigot because I don't think biological genders should be in competition with one another, you won't be teaching me anything.

No, you can go to hell. I'm here, and I'm the only Black person here. If I were as easily offended as you suggest the LGBTs are, I'd have run screaming from the libertarians and third-partiers here a long-ass time ago.

I want to know why the hell there's even a T in LGB.

 

You have to excel for the ring, not the record. Nobody cares what last year's state titlist's time was.

 

I didn't reference either one, because I knew about Semenya and I know the difference bewteeen intersex and transgender. My posts were about humans who were born biologically male, nothing different from other biological males, but who identify as female competing against biological females.

I'd like to see a thread, as this IS a political topic. But I'd want ALL the posts to be moved there, especially the ones where I'm being called names.

 

If those faster girls from other states are boys, yes it's unfair.

Keep moving the goalposts all you want, the story you cited was about high school athletics. The reality is girls are losing to trans athletes who have an enormous biological advantage in high school. All the extra stuff that you added to the mix doesn't change the fact that the only things that correlate in this entire discussion are the law in Idaho and the unfair playing field in Connecticut both being at the high school level.

 

Tell that to the biological females who lost to the champion. No matter what the record is, there are some females out there who should have rings but do not.

 

Studies indicate circulating testosterone during fetal development and androgen receptors as both important. If you don't understand the importance of circulating testosterone, then maybe you should educate yourself.

Furthermore, Renee Richards was not transgender. Please educate yourself.

Such bigotry. Cisgender males don't object to what you say, so therefore you believe it's not offensive to LGBT+ people. Well, let's get a group of white supremacists together to say a lot of derogatory things about blacks. If none of them complain, it clearly isn't offensive - right? You are such a bigot.

Do you know how many studies there are showing that African Americans have a longer appendage to torso ratio than white people? Tons. In fact, in forensic anthropology we use different charts to estimate height for African Americans based on limb bones than we do for whites. That's a concrete biological difference between blacks and whites. That's a concrete biological difference that gives blacks an advantage in certain sports. Based on your reasoning, it's unfair to whites to let blacks compete in the same sports leagues as them. But your first response will be to argue they are of the same sex, as if that's the be all and end all of everything. It isn't. But I'm guessing your religious or cultural upbringing has convinced you it is. If you are unable to put aside your bias, I cannot help you.

Bullshit. I haven't posted for months until today because of the bigotry of people like you. I never backed down from a fight in these threads, just ask superdave. I stopped when it became clear the moderators would do nothing about the bigotry on these threads. They allowed bigots to insult me directly and repeatedly because they did not want to offend the bigots. I will not be bullied by bigots like you.

Furthermore, because they are transgender and not gay I shouldn't stick up for them? Too ********ing bad. I stick up for black people even though I'm not black. It's a shame you are such a bigot and cannot see beyond your own self. There is a reason LGBT+ are grouped together. If you are too ignorant to understand why, I cannot help you because you are clearly unwilling to learn.

You are a bigot.

Maybe the problem is the dichotomy that people operate under. Males and females, which are biological sexes, not genders, are only two types of biological sex. You should educate yourself on such things before spouting off bigoted comments.

No, you are not.

I want to know why the hell there's even a T in LGB.[/QUOTE]

It's a shame you don't have access to the internet. Have you ever considered looking into it? Have you ever tried to educate your ********ing ignorant bigoted self? To get an answer to that would take a few minutes at most. But you are too lazy and, no doubt, too bigoted to try to educate yourself.

I will not engage in further dialogue with you. You have the same access to information as I do. You choose to remain an incredibly ignorant and bigoted person.

 

This is the problem with moderators. You allow bigotry and then when people who are targeted respond, you move the posts or delete them altogether. In doing so, you inherently propagate the bias that exists in these threads.

********ing call out bigotry against transgender people. Delete their bigoted, ignorant posts. Stop treating them as if their posts are legitimate. They aren't. If they were treating black people or religious people the way they do LGBT people, they would be shut down quickly. But you moderators don't do that. You defend bigots. That is why I left.

 

I'm cutting and pasting this whole thing into the Transgender thread, because that's where the convo has been moved.

You're the one with the dissenting opinion. You and 'nutter should be the ones providing the knowledge.

My response to (at this point, I forget who) about Richards didn't indicate that I thought she was trans, and you know it.

Boxing has weight classes. I'm not opposed to something like that (whatever measurements are chosen) if trans females are going to compete with cisgender females. If Whites decided to complain, I'm not sure I'd care any more than I do about the trans issue. But I'd post about it, just I'm doing now with the trans issue.

I've never hurled any kind of insult (veiled or otherwise) at you or anyone else for being gay, and I've never suggested that gays deserve unequal treatment, and on only a couple of occasions have I even been a dick about anything related to gender studies or issues.

That's on you. I asked why they're being grouped together. It isn't a natural grouping, but a marriage of convenience against bigotry.

I can say I've never replied to this much name-calling with as much patience as I've shown.

Well, you know something I do not. I think you've said you were White, so it ain't you. Who have I missed?

Then this reply is for anyone else who decides to read it.

I'll live. And I'm not a bigot. ******** off.

 

So this post was moved despite deliberately removing anything in the quote about the subject being discussed here. That's weird.

 

He makes an interesting point.

 

Equally nice of you to equate HS sports participation with trying to vote or crossing paths with a White and not getting the ******** lynched for not stepping off the sidewalk.

FWIW, I don't know if I've ever asked for desegregation (I've seen that, deliberately implemented poorly)- but I know I've suggested that equality might not be such a bad thing.

No White person, gay or straight, has ever had their intellect questioned, their resume questioned, their choice of school questioned, told they speak well, had it assumed that they were violent, untrustworthy or uppity, asked to pray or sing at some work event with absolutely no prior evidence that I was good at either, asked about BBQ, told they'd have to keep it in their pants because, well, there are enough little brown babies running around without a father, told I would eventually meet my dad's illegitimate children if I didn't get gunned down first, told that I didn't have any business on a disc course... all but the last one occurred in the workplace, when I was too young to realize I had options to counter them. Ain't no White mofo ever been thru that. They have Larry Craig, J. Edgar Hoover, Milo Yiannopolis, Mark Foley, etc. The Black folks with that kind of power or star power number at zero.

You don't know me, Smurfquake. I've lived thru insults that would make most White folks climb the damn clock tower. The list above is limited.

are you ********ing kidding me?????

Potowmack, Century's Best and Jumpin Jack Flash have come in here and spouted all sorts of cultural and genetic venom wrt POCs over the years. On multiple occasions. with multiple posters replying to them and debating them. And that's just the three I can recall by username. There are at least two longtime posters here who clearly wouldn't lift a finger to protect the most vulnerable demographic (POCs) from the effects of a GOp presidency. A bunch more who spout stuff about drones, the School Of The Americas, virtually every god-damned thing except the Black folks who live in their country.

You haven't read my posts on religious people, especially those who are simultaneously Black and Adventist.

 

She made a couple of doubles finals at the US open, and knocked out some pretty good singles players as well.


More to the point, she has rethought the issue and now says she shouldn't have been allowed to compete, especially if she'd had the surgery in her 20's, because she could have beaten anyone then...