The (to be) best players of 2020s

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Sexy Beast, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    well, I like Dembélé

    reminds me on Ruud Gullit


    on higher-pressure moments ..

    with good clean tackles won %

    interceptions

    clever clearances

    slide blocks

    defensive blocks

    defensive Headers Won %


    key -decisive -Goals

    key-decisive - Assists

    pre-key-passes-decisive - Pre-assists
     
  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024










    Ac Milan == 25 Shots Attempts ==

    Inter Milan == 2 Shots Attempts ==











    Gullit given masterclass from Counter-pressing mentality
    and higher -pressure Attitude .... !
     
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes , maybe by impact on the field . "!
     
  4. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  5. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #655 carlito86, Jun 16, 2026
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    https://eloratings.net/Spain
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    That match rating is pure FICTION
    By any objective measure that was not a 9/10 performance.

    2 shots/0 goals
    3 successful crosses/11 attempted
    1 big chance created/5 key passes

    Against Cape Verde


    :cautious:
     
  6. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    50 side passes on #14 zone :rolleyes:
     
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  7. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member+

    Jan 28, 2020
    #657 Al Gabiru, Jun 16, 2026
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2026
    They don't take the opponent into account. Pedri completing 87% of his passes and 7/7 long balls is impressive against France, not Cape Verde, but to the algorithm, it makes no difference who the opponent is

    Even with that explanation, it’s hard to understand how Pelé in the 1970 World Cup final, with one goal and two assists, got almost the same rating as Pedri against Cape Verde, who had no impact on the result (same number of key passes and big chances created, but Pelé scored a goal and provided two assists.)

    pedriandpele.png

    Major flaw in their rating system.

    But the worst thing is when they make mistakes in data collection. Sofascore rated Van Dijk 7.9 with 3/3 aerial duels, but Van Dijk failed on Japan's equalizing goal, losing the aerial duel, but they didn't count it.

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    Two different errors in Opta: the first is in their (automated?) rating system, and the other is in the data collection.
     
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  8. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  9. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It's because he's so short that opta considered a ground duel for VVD lol jokes aside I don't know if that qualifies as a "duel"

    "Only one team played football"
    Rodri, 2024 (after being knocked out on SF (at least he kept his stat of "not losing" on normal time))
     
  10. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil


    Bro defends like Casemiro, dribbles like Zidane and finishes like Lewandowski. He's really Gullit's encarnation
     
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  11. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member+

    Jan 28, 2020
    Yeah, that’s exactly what I’ve been debating with my friend Wiliam Felipe Gracek over the last few years. Bellingham is the most complete player in the world and has the potential to be an all-time great.
     
  12. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    I lived to see Gullit become overrated.
     
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  13. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
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  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    I'm in a "peace and love" phase.

    hahaha Tropeiro

    May the spiritual Creator enlighten you Tropeiro hahaha .



    Tropeiro Listen to me


    Gullit

    He scored goals and provided assists in every type of football finals.



    Euro-Cup 1988 == 1 Goal the only one major Title trophy for Netherlands in the All of the Football History


    European Champions Cup 1989 == 2 Goals


    Fifa Club World Cup 1990 == 1 Assist dribbling and crossing to Rijkaard in the first Goal

    KNVB Dutch Cup 1984 == 1 Assist crossing to Peter Houtman

    Coppa Italia 1994 == 1 Goal and 3 Assists

    Super Italian Cups 1992, 1994 == 1 Goal against Sampdoria and 1 Pre-Assist to Papin to Van Basten vs Parma

    European Super Cups Uefa Super Cups Finals 1990 == 1 Goal ...against Sampdoria ...



    The only thing missing was the World Cup Final.

    Goals or Assists or Pre-assists or penalties won !
     
  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    hahaha !!!
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    You're ridiculous and hilarious at the same time haha Tropeiro well you're back by the way my spiritual brother !
     
  17. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member+

    Jan 28, 2020
    I don't know if we can call Yamal a disappointment in the World Cup so far. Given his age, 19, maybe it's unfair to expect too much from him. But he's not playing like one of the best in the world, like Mbappe, Messi, or Haaland. Yamal's problem is his conversion rate. 1 goal out of 12 attempts from inside the box, 0 goals out of 11 attempts from outside the box. He's trying, but his finishing has been terrible. I don't know if Yamal will have a chronic finishing issue or if it's just an age thing.

    Jude, on the other hand, is playing exactly as expected. He's the most complete player of his generation: he defends, heads, finishes, passes, and dribbles.
     
  18. Betrayed@Krondor

    Jul 11, 2023
    I'm not sure how often we've seen a player being so clearly rushed from injury for an international tournament. He's not really alone -- Alvarez and, I gather, Rice and Dembele, are other high-profile footballers who've gone through this for this WC alone, and I'm sure that there are others I'm forgetting -- but Spain's early struggles made it all much more obvious.

    These players make major sacrifices, and to some extent, risk their future job security, and still get these absolutely ridiculous criticisms.
     
  19. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    He is still immature, in general, and in his playing style. What he is missing atm is a skill to set himself up for favorable shots. He is forcing too much. Wants to score. But that is not how to do it. He will learn. You can also see how overly playful he still is in all the dribbling and nutmeg attempts. Talent is there, but he needs to put it all together coherently. It will probably come with age and maturity. He also still has a steep learning curve when it comes to scoring. He did shift his attitude a few matches ago from going solo all the time to focusing on producing value on the pitch, and his performance immediately became much better. His form is rising in this tournament. He is not scoring a lot of goals in general because he is currently stuck in the right winger position, and either tactically or due to his own inability at this stage, he is not able to find himself in spaces where he can score reliably. I think he still lacks this instinct, as I don't believe he is instructed to not enter a penalty box and area around it.
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    Well , the main problem is :


    with this generation that watches dribbling videos on YouTube can be like Materazzi or younger people also

    —believing, due to cognitive impairments,

    that at YouTube dribbling videos

    are a valid criterion for analyzing football

    But in reality,

    dribbling videos are not valid or official criteria in professional football.



    Materazzi

    said

    I'm a fan of Ronaldo Nazário because of the YouTube videos showing his dribbles and plays.


    I consider him the best player in history.




    For me and For All of us


    15 main criteria of the professional Football :



    1. A true Hat-trick ( 1 Goal with Left foot, 1 Goal with right foot and 1 Goal Heading accuracy % )

    like Michel Platini against Belgium and Iugoslavia in 1984 Euro-Cup


    2. A true Hat-trick Of Assists ( 1 Assist with Left foot, 1 Assist with right foot and 1 Assist Heading accuracy % )



    3. behaviour and greater performances in Big Matches and in Big Finals


    4. average Of Goals per 90 minutes played

    5. average Of Assists per 90 minutes played

    6. Dribbles completed per 90 minutes played

    7. Shots on Target ratio % vs Shots Attempts per 90 minutes played


    8. Big chances created or Key-Passes ( Crossing , Killer Balls or LOng Range Balls ..etc..etc.)

    9 . Defensive work _actions Tackles won % or interceptions or clearances or slide blocks ..or defensive blocks ..or defensive covers ...or defensive Headers Won %


    10 . Triple Double in all the possible metrics all the metrics by all the metrics


    11. A True Double ( 1 Goal with left foot or right foot and 1 Goal Heading Accuracy % )

    like Erling Haaland against Brazil

    12. ..A True Double Of assists ... ( 1 Assist ..with left foot or right foot and 1 Assist ...Heading accuracy % )

    13 . Scanning and mental Attributes with duels won on the ground or Air Battles ...Headers Won %

    ( Aggression & Bravery & decisions & determination & work-rate & etc...etc..)


    14 .
    disciplinary behavior Red Cards or Yellow Cards ..Fouls suffered


    15 .
    longevity & ..
    athlete stuff % ...professionalism
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Jude is a good player yes for sure !


    But

    But I don't consider him a phenomenal player or a player in a class of his own—

    like Di Stéfano, Gerd Müller, Michel Platini, Puskás, and Ruud Gullit.


    I've worked with Jude in Football Manager several times already.


    One of Jude's weaknesses:
    He doesn't dribble like Evani , Donadoni or Ruud Gullit !

    in decisive games

    he reminds me of Ronaldinho Gaúcho
     
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Messi
    He's phenomenal.
     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    until now

    good player the Jude !
     

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