The thundering hooves of the NFL are approaching.

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  1. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    SKC/STL
    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Early November might be okay. You might get lucky and have the high in the upper 50s, but you could also go below freezing. November or December would be a big risk.
     
  2. enderjed

    enderjed Member

    Jul 11, 2002
    Denton, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe you folks don't understand that it gets cold at the Cotton Bowl, too. That cold wind blows in off the plains from Canada and there's nothing to stop it but barbed wire.

    Anyway, cut down the playoffs from eight teams to four, same best-to-five format. Start the season a couple weeks earlier. The early season attendance is higher than later and the playoffs don't draw anyway. When the league expands to critical mass, say sixteen teams, then the playoffs can go back to eight teams. Until then, less is more. Garber has done pretty well at marketing the game to soccer fans, a trend that should continue. Casual fans will never embrace the game if soccer fans diss MLS.
     
  3. Charlie Armstrong

    Mar 7, 2001
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay, I promise not to try not to become a bore on this subject, but could somebody please, please explain to me how sending half your league to the playoffs is a good thing? Seriously, I would like to know.

    If everyone is okay with 8 out of 16 teams making the playoffs, why are we all so negative about the current playoff situation? In both cases, bad teams are going to make it to the playoffs. In both cases, the regular season is marginalized. This is at least part of the root of the problem. If owners and commissioners know that American sports fans will accept 8 out of 16 teams making the playoffs, then why shouldn't they think that we would accept 8 out of 10?

    Charlie in New Jersey
     
  4. quicksand

    quicksand Member

    May 7, 2000
    Brooklyn
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The All Star game is one of two opportunities for the league to really show off with a large crowd in front of a national television audience, with MLS Cup being the other. Remove this or even move it to Wednesday night and you remove this.

    The All Star game isn't for the hardcore fan, it is for the common fan, and that is who MLS is trying to attract.
     
  5. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have my doubts whether the All-Star game attracts many new fans to MLS.

    It's hard to imagine a sloppily played 6-5 soccer exhibition match inspiring casual fans to watch more of MLS on ESPN2, let alone attend any matches.

    I think airing one of MLS' regular season matches on ABC in place of the All-Star game would serve as a better advertisement for the league (as long as MLS used common sense and didn't pick a Chicago, KC, San Jose, or Dallas home game for their July/August showcase)
     
  6. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's simple. Start in mid March, and have the Cup Final in the second week of November. The Open Cup Final Labor Day weekend.

    Have all teams play every Saturday, every week. Have one Wednesday night game per week, and rotate it so that no team would have to play the Saturday-Wednesday-Saturday schedule more often than once a month. If you do this, you can play six games in the span of 5 weeks.

    Playoffs should be 2-leg total goals, with the higher-seeded team winning the tie-breaker. If the season ends Oct 12, the first leg of playoffs starts the following Saturday, Oct 19. Second leg the following Wednesday, Oct 23. Second round first leg is the next Saturday, Oct 26, and the second leg a week later, Nov 3. Cup final is the following Sunday, November 10. MLS Cup final will be played 4 weeks after the last regular season game.

    Tom
     
  7. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like how you think. Works for me.

    Of course, it goes against the point the original poster made about finishing the season before the NFL season starts, but I think that's unrealistic anyway.
     
  8. detroitexpress

    detroitexpress New Member

    Oct 24, 2000
    Detroit
    In an ideal world MLS cup would be played in late fall to massive media attention. But since the NFL and college football have a lock on the autumn sports scene (and many of the facilities), a second solution is to wrap up MLS Cup by labor day.

    I'd like to see the MLS playoffs cut way back. It might even be interesting to just take the division winners and have them play for the cup in a short series. But no more than 4 teams in the playoffs. Make the season really count for something, you'll get some great games in July/August leading up to the Cup final.

    I'd like to see the MLS Cup take center stage for once.
     
  9. Charlie Armstrong

    Mar 7, 2001
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And I like the way you think! :)

    Charlie in South Jersey
     
  10. Khansingh

    Khansingh New Member

    Jan 8, 2002
    The Luton Palace
    I really hate the two leg play-off. I say best-of-three in the Semi's, Conf. Finals, and MLS Cup Finals.
     
  11. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ditto, except they don't even have conference finals anymore now that they're employing their stupid, sort-of-single-table format.
     
  12. Preston McMurry

    Preston McMurry New Member

    Jul 28, 1999
    Earth
    Re: Re: The thundering hooves of the NFL are approaching.

    Considering that the season already starts in mid-March, and that the northern half of this country -- where, thanx to team assasination, most of the teams now play -- has this little thing called "frigid cold", if they started any earlier they would have to play in parkas. Ask Mexico how Columbus in February felt ...
     
  13. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with your comments regarding my post.
    However--and I didn't make this AT ALL clear, so it's entirely my fault--I was trying to split the difference. Having eight out of sixteen teams STILL is a little silly, I agree. However, this is the USA, and the structure of the championship is probably going to inevitably reflect that.
    The point I should have made was, given that MLS is going to go with an American-style postseason, it's still a little ridiculous having all but two teams play in it.
    Just because the major American sports have Quarterfinals, Semis, and so forth, doesn't mean the MLS should. Not with only ten teams. They are only making asses of themselves, looking like a joke league playing at being "Major League" going to such ludicrous extremes to have a postseason.

    I hope I stated myself clearer this time! Thanks for responding to my comments, by the way. Keeps me on my toes.
     
  14. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I blame this all on Canada. In the "golden years" of the original 6 NHL teams, 4 of 6 made the playoffs.
     
  15. MDFootball

    MDFootball New Member

    Jul 7, 2000
    DC
    Playing in cold weather would have one significant advantage in that the standard of play should improve a bit, 110 degree heat isn't really the best of conditions for good football. For now though I suppose it would be suicidal from an attendance perspective, I know most of you here (well I hope anyway) would go out and support your team in temperatures 40 and below but the casual softies wouldn't dare. Maybe once the game is a bit more popular here, after all tons of people sit through 3+ hours of NFL in places like Green Bay and Chicago in December.
     
  16. Charlie Armstrong

    Mar 7, 2001
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure. Actually, I think I understood you okay the first time. Your post just happened to touch on a topic that gets me wound up. Years of ever-expanding, ever more pointless baseball playoffs are one of the main things that finally drove me away from that sport. Over the past few years, soccer has come to be as important to me as baseball used to be and I hate the idea that MLS is taking this sport down the same stupid road. Thankfully, with soccer, there are alternatives to MLS if the league manages to self-destruct. :D

    Charlie in South Jersey
     
  17. PSU92

    PSU92 Member

    Feb 27, 1999
    Annandale VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think there is some kind of College there or something. Not sure though.

    :rolleyes:
     
  18. splinterhead

    splinterhead Member

    Jun 10, 2001
    Beaver, PA
    It is Penn State, isn't it? ;)
     
  19. detroitexpress

    detroitexpress New Member

    Oct 24, 2000
    Detroit
    I think cutting down the playoffs would actually increase the number of "big games" in MLS (a commodity that is in very short supply currently).

    We'd actually have an interesting "stretch run" in the last couple months.

    I'd continue this opinionating except I just remembered I said the same last year when 8/12 of the league made the playoffs. I thought that was a joke. Then MLS comes back with 8/10 in 2002.

    MLS ticks me off sometimes. It just gets frustrating.
     
  20. UncleSam527

    UncleSam527 Member

    Jan 14, 2002
    If MLS Cup was held in "sports dead time" (no baseball or ANYTHING else), would we get more coverage? Any shot of a Sports Illustrated cover? (BTW, I have those framed).
     
  21. Charlie Armstrong

    Mar 7, 2001
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is no sports dead time. Baseball overlaps with American Football, football overlaps with basketball and hockey, basketball and hockey overlap the beginning of the baseball season. Soccer's best bet is to continue doing what they're doing: carving their niche into the rotting corpse of Major League Baseball.

    Charlie in South Jersey
     
  22. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Slightly off topic - Can I ask what the reason is for the soccer season in the States being held in the summer?
     
  23. bukie2k

    bukie2k Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    New Jersey
    The fall is dominated by the MLB playoffs, NFL and college football and the winter by the NHL, NBA, and college basketball.
     
  24. Charlie Armstrong

    Mar 7, 2001
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's also the weather. Given a choice between playing in Texas in the summer and Boston in the winter, the guys wearing the shorts probably prefer the former.

    I suspect that teams in Europe that play in places like Moscow and Copenhagen might have made the same choice if their season weren't tied so closely to the rest of Europe.

    Charlie in South Jersey
     
  25. PSU92

    PSU92 Member

    Feb 27, 1999
    Annandale VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually I think the Scandinavian leagues play in the summer (I know Norway does for sure.)
     

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