The thread for Ruud Gullit

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  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    The 1994 Dutch National football team was a baby among giant, hungry and ferocious lions on the jungle from Africa



    Holland is a baby

    against

    Brazil, West Germany mainly

    It is

    Argentina slightly less favored . then from World Cup 1986 .
     
  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    John Havelange

    in the first moment


    He worked behind the scenes for the 1978 Argentina National Team to win the World Cup in Argentina

    and worked hard to always help West Germany in FIFA competitions

    To gain strength, power and political support

    to gain political weight

    with FIFA members

    It is
    a lot of strength too


    in 1994..

    However, Havelange passed his power to Ricardo Teixeira,


    they knew Maradona was using medication to get in shape and lose weight


    then

    Maradona

    spoke openly to Havelange about this.
     
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  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    so let Gullit out this hahahaha .... from this dirty of Fifa ... ! i mean on 1994 World Cup


    Gullit alone like a baby too closer from Fifa's secret desires !
     
  4. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The ingrained idea 'we don't win anyway' is probably a thing.

    I feel like though Yallop, Jennings and some others have too much tunnel vision on Havelange, Texeira, Grondona here. The 'it was Havelange his last tournament' theory has a few weak points.

    One of them is that it is rather Italy that shouldn't have been in the final. They should have been out against Spain (Tassotti, offside goals) and Nigeria (Maldini escaping red card, again). Italy had money and the power, to stand up against Brazil. Italy was horrendous and narrowly escaped the group stage, with also some help there I think. But many Brits of a certain generation get misty eyes when they think of calcio and 90s Italian football. I don't exclude it impacts Yallop, Jennings also.

    Brazil at least was technical. Maybe not like the 'samba on the beaches' stereotype but well organized and mentally strong. Technically sound in the execution. At many other tournaments Brazil has often given a different impression on the organisational and tactical part.

    I remember @Krokko being critical for Sweden at the time, in comparison to Denmark (outside the 1992 tournament). Hard to argue against it, but without playing thrilling football you can still be solid, sturdy and good. Brazil in '94 was like this, also.

    'Holland' made the mistake to let Wouters play against Bebeto, with various players preferring to be at home (De Goey, Rijkaard also). I cannot blame them for that, but also makes it harder to be 'angry' at the officials or anything.
     
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  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    yes i agree with you dear mate !



    Uffffaaaaaaaa my prefer boy Ruud Gullit came out from this dirty thing all there !


    well ...



    Holland ...

    in 1990 had much more chances to win...the World cup there


    by Fifa's eyes " secret desires ".. !! hahaha ... i hope yes hahaha !!!
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    HeadCoach for Brazilian National Football team side
    Carlos Alberto Parreira :


    he has already talked about this a few times in Brazil with journalists..as a football coach, he was trying every way to play A la brasileira


    I mean

    with Brazilian Style Of play as World Cup of 1958, 62 and 1970


    because Zagallo was the technical assistant of Parreira ....


    although Zagallo was a total player


    full field
    or 70 meters field



    he don't liked the Carrosel Holandes de 1974 and Rinus Michels .


    but when Carlos Alberto Parreira swapped Raí for Mazinho to give the team more tactical balance and composure

    Parreira said that he copied Arrigo Sacchi's Ac Milan scheme and Tacticals
    with balance
    aggressively
    and extreme compression( compactness)

    using
    Sacchi's 4-4-2

    using the spell against the Sorcerer

    used the Sacchi scheme

    against Sacchi



    ....so Parreira copied Sacchi


    GK- TAFFAREL




    RB- JORGINHO ....... CD - MARCIO SANTOS.............. ALDAIR ........... BRANCO



    ............DM MAURO SILVA

    WG- MAZINHO ............ ...OH -DM - DUNGA ........WG ZINHO



    CF - BEBETO

    CF - ROMARIO
     
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    HE COPIED SACCHI'S TACTICALS IDEAS :




    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;GK - GALLI


    RB---------- TASSOTTI ;;.............CD ...COSTA CURTA ........CD...... BARESI .....LB-MALDINI


    ..............DM -RIJKAARD


    WG - COLOMBO OR GULLIT ..... OH -- CARLO ANCELOTTI .... WG -DONADONI OR EVANI





    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; CF - GULLIT OR VAN BASTEN OR MASSARO



    ............................................CF - PAOLO VIRDIS OR VAN BASTEN
     
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #183 PuckVanHeel, Jul 24, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2024
    We have a word for this, falling in the trap to take it too far. 'Calimero'.
    Calimero - Wikipedia

    No, against the cartel ganging up (and the preferences of the sponsors and broadcasters) it is hard to fight. It was already like this in the 17th century. 40+ million (gathered by the nasty English) ganging up against 1.5 million Dutch.

    [​IMG]

    This book is about how the Champions League itself is a 'fix', or has evolved into this.

    The future boss of Nike football, also Dutch, pitched the idea to go into football to Phil Knight like this (end of 1992):

    "We said to him: the world of football fits into together like this. Once in every four years there is a tournament, about one-and-a-half year it takes place in your country. On a drawing board we had put the group allocations, and that is maybe not entirely corrupt but a little bit corrupt. Because the tournament is guided, and that leads to that Brazil, Germany, Italy - if we [as Dutchmen] are lucky Holland because they played well - those advance very far, and then it becomes a final like Brazil versus Italy, or Germany versus... there are only a handful countries that make the world turn around. And then they looked at us, weary surprised to hear the word 'corruption' and that the FIFA might have some business into that. Then I stepped up and said: "No, it is guided. But it moves into that direction so that at the end of the day you get an interesting final." Phil Knight said then after the meeting was finished: "It seems you know and understand a lot, how does it come, blablahblah. Well, you seem to be the one to lead the job." That made me to receive the chance to set up 'Nike football'."
    footballnikeknight - Video Dailymotion

    But if you zoom out and keep sense of proportion, we aren't exactly a baby. We are (and then I do not mean the entire Benelux) the 16/17th country in GNI and GDP. Not per capita, but absolute. The stock market capitalization is 15th, the net investment position (absolute) even a lot better.

    Some (nasty German) plotters and schemers also regard us as unusually influential (if not powerful) within the EU.

    The big engine that might: How France and Germany can build a geopolitical Europe | ECFR
    EU Coalition Explorer | ECFR
    The limits of “no, no, no”: Why the Dutch are so ambivalent about Europe | ECFR
    The Netherlands: The EU’s hidden coalition champion | ECFR
    (ctrl + F on 'Netherlands')

    It has been like that for many years if not decades. So it is all relative. When the Anglogerman alliance in football joins forces you are as 'Holland' and victim of The Athletic without a chance (Havelange knew!). But a baby is something else. That is Tuvalu. Or Croatia minus the ~10 expats. Switzerland even, maybe.
     
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  9. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I think this will be the last post of today (can be slight errors below, it's pulled through the translator);



    We now come to the transfer saga of Gullit (@Krokko @PDG1978). It wasn't simply a case of him signing for Sampdoria. Gullit decided he wanted to go, but it's also clear (to me) Berlusconi didn't want Gullit appearing on the roster of the rivals. Especially Juventus, who was apparently regarded as best placed for the future (see earlier posts), by Berlusconi and Galliani.

    I have to say, that I don't know if some later recollections are entirely true. Nonetheless it provides context for 'triggering people in the wrong way'. Sometimes it had a bit too much drama, veneer and glamour. For example Uli Hoeness (March 2019):

    "Ruud Gullit was completely crazy. First I flew to Milan with Franz Beckenbauer. When we got to his apartment at half past nine in the morning, nobody was awake - except the butler. He had a butler! He then invited us into the salon, we drank coffee. Finally the transfer was clear and he came to Munich for an examination by Dr. Müller-Wohlfahrt," said Hoeneß.

    "Everything was still clear. In the evening we had dinner together, he stayed at my place. Everything was still clear then too. The next morning he said he had to go to Milan and talk to his wife - then that evening he cancelled. I still don't know exactly why."

    https://www.sport1.de/news/fussball...r-transferverhandlungen-mit-madjer-und-gullit

    I honestly don't know if the butler story is true. I haven't seen it. He had a personal coach yes (Ted Troost), that can be verified. Gullit was/is in fairness relatively popular in Germany as well (he can speak their language) and Beckenbauer had 'always' a thumbs up for him.

    In this book Gullit features too if I remember correctly. Again, no such (spiteful, at many places wrong) book exists about other football cultures in English (also not in German about Holland). There are two in English about us.
    https://www.amazon.com/Ajax-Dutch-War-Football-Europe/dp/0752842749

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    Gullit to Bayern, consolation for the German national soul

    BONN, JUNE 15. For German football fans and their media, it is now certain: Ruud Gullit will sign a contract with Bayern Munich this week. He must help the Bavarian club to the Bundesliga championship next season, which the German Rekordmeister lost to Werder Bremen at the last minute this season. “The big surprise” that Bayern manager Uli Hoeness already spoke about last week is called Gullit.

    Vice-chairman Franz ("Der Kaiser") Beckenbauer, manager Uli Hoeness and treasurer Kurt Hegerich of Bayern Munich spoke with Gullit and his lawyer, Mr. Ella Adriaanse, in Amsterdam yesterday. According to Adriaanse, Bayern wants to tie the 30-year-old Gullit to them for two years, but the draft contract must first be legally examined. "Gullit must now think about it and decide whether he will go to Bayern. He can do that in five minutes, but also in a week or even a month."

    The much-operated knee was examined by Munich club doctor Hans Müller-Wohlfahrt and found to be in order. The transfer fee for AC Milan is said to be between five and eight million marks.
    Could it be that his arrival as a Rastamann in these harsh German times of 'Mölln' and 'Solingen' also serve as some consolation, after the recent sigh of tennis star Boris Becker that he and his colored fiancée Barbara Feltus “no longer want to live in this Germany” but in London? And, if so, would that contribute to the length and exuberance of the articles that a magazine specializing in the movements of the German national soul like Bild devotes to the Gullit transfer? And, if so, would the probable hangover that the aging athlete Gullit is going to experience in the physically demanding German football, also be good for completely different articles?

    Whether Gullit will really succeed depends mainly on whether he can meet the (too) high expectations on the football field. "I believe that I can live a bit more peacefully in Munich than in Milan", he is said to have said according to the Süddeutsche. He should hope for the best if he will indirectly help to draw the often so mediocre Dutch image of Germany in the Olympiastadion in Munich next season. For this cooperation he will receive more money and space in German columns than the Dutch ambassador in Bonn. Gullit the "first" Dutchman in Germany? That could soon become a German problem in Hilversum and the surrounding area.

    Gullit and Marcel Witiczek, who was taken over from Kaiserslautern, will be Bayern's new strikers. That is what is being said among big heads now. The fact that Bayern had already taken over the 20-year-old physical powerhouse Alexander Zickel from the ailing Dynamo Dresden (for just one million), a man who could soon prove to be a great competitor for Gullit by his nature, is still only in small print.

    According to the German newspapers, Gullit is so expensive that Bayern forwards Roland Wolfarth and Bruno Labbadia, who have fallen out of favor at Beckenbauer, have to be sold. To Turkish Fehnerbahce and FC Köln respectively. The disappointing Brazilian Mazinho must also go.
    The tabloid Bild led the way with the big news last week. National dailies such as Die Welt, the Süddeutsche and the Frankfurter Allgemeine followed yesterday. Because Weltstar "Roed Koelit" is also popular in Germany, since he became European champion and footballer of the year with Oranje in 1988.
    The German television news yesterday at least showed Gullit walking through Munich in a relaxed manner. Admittedly, he was presented somewhat like that Bounty chocolate bar from the commercial, namely as a kind of nice tropical surprise, an "exotic treat for the Bundesliga", but that happened with an extensive and fair report of his life as a professional: a "football fairy tale". With a set of beautifully flashing images of his journey via the intermediate stations Haarlem, Feijenoord and PSV to AC Milan.
    Midfielder Jan Wouters, another Dutch man in his thirties who has now overcome the language barrier as the informal boss in Bayern's selection, is said to be no great friend of Gullit's but still - "we need someone like that" - has acted as a kind of mediator. Earlier this month, Hoeness and former international Karl-Heinz Rummenigge had already visited Gullit at his Milan home on the Piazza Castello. They then reached an 'in principle' agreement with him.

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    Gullit asks Bayern Munich for time to think

    MUNICH, JUNE 16. Ruud Gullit is waiting until Friday to make a decision on his possible transfer to Bayern Munich. The former AC Milan player has in principle reached an agreement with the German club but wants to let the matter sink in for a while.

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    Column by Herman Kuiphof (the commentator of the 1974 final, with "they tricked us again").

    Van Moer and Gullit
    [...]
    Reading a book by my excellent Belgian colleague Rik de Saedeleer I came across an episode about Wilfried van Moer. Van Moer was an excellent footballer and also a café owner in Hasselt. [...] But then came an era in which the Belgians had a rock-solid defence, plus a not so bad forward line, but in which a guiding figure was missing in midfield who was of great class defensively and offensively.
    [...]
    Now the name Gullit is mentioned, called by Rik de Saedeleer “perhaps the most complete footballer of all time”. He has resigned from Oranje and is leaving Milan. Will he ever return to the national team or is it a farewell for good? Van Moer relied on technique and dedication. His powerful ego drove him on. If the knee cooperates, Ruud Gullit should be able to do that too.

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    Gullit asks Bayern for more time to think

    MUNICH, JUNE 17. Ruud Gullit has asked Bayern Munich for an extension. He would let the Germans know by tomorrow at the latest whether he would come to play for the club. The Dutchman has been offered a two-year contract. Club doctor Müller-Wohlfahrt has already "more than approved" Gullit. Bayern manager Uli Hoeness has told the German press agency that he does not expect Gullit to come and play in Munich. According to him, the footballer's wife has no interest in moving to the southern German city.

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    Gullit's girlfriend blocks transfer to Bayern

    MUNICH, JUNE 18. The transfer of Ruud Gullit from AC Milan to Bayern Munich has been cancelled. The 65-times international has turned down the Bavarian club. His pregnant girlfriend Christina Pensa does not want to move to Germany under any circumstances. On Tuesday, the transfer seemed to be a matter of a signature. There was an agreement on the transfer fee (4.6 million marks) and Gullit's net annual salary (1.2 million marks). Gullit had already been medically cleared. The footballer asked for a few days to think about it. "It's a shame," manager Uli Hoeness said yesterday, "we would have liked to have Ruud, but we can't have everything." Hoeness already has Gullit's successor in mind, striker Adolfo Valencia (25) of the Colombian national team.

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    Capello keen to keep Gullit

    MILAN, JUNE 24. Fabio Capello wants to keep Ruud Gullit for another season at AC Milan. The coach of the Italian champions said he hoped the club would reopen negotiations once the former international returned from holiday. Gullit previously rejected an offer from Milan, which involved a significantly lower salary than before.

    Berlusconi thinks of a show team

    MILAN, JUNE 25. AC Milan president Silvio Berlusconi wants to send a kind of show team around the world to promote football with demonstration matches.

    That plan resembles that of the world-famous basketball team Harlem Globetrotters, said Berlusconi. Berlusconi would like to field old stars like Maradona and Gullit in the demonstration team. Both players have already been approached. Of course, it is mainly about money. The refined Milan could earn between 400,000 and 600,000 guilders for each gala match. (ANP)

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    Gullit chooses a villa by the sea, a basic location and peace

    ROME, JULY 14. With his transfer to Sampdoria, Ruud Gullit has opted for a year without major tensions and a villa with a view of the Mediterranean Sea after six years at AC Milan - partly because of him the best team in the world.

    “I want to have a quiet year, but not like an old man. I think I can still play a leading role,” Gullit told Italian journalists on guard outside his holiday villa in the Tuscan resort of Forte dei Marmi yesterday.

    It was clear to everyone that he was no longer satisfied with his role as an occasional substitute at Milan (26 official games last campaign). After the lost European Cup final against Olympique Marseille, which Gullit had to watch from the stands, he announced that he wanted to leave. Gullit is assured of a permanent place at the club from the port city of Genoa, because the selection is not nearly as wide as that of Milan. But he is spared the extra tension of midweek matches for the European Cup or lucrative friendlies. Sampdoria has become a sub-topper after a national championship in 1991 and is not playing European football this year. "There is less stress in Genoa," Gullit said. "Milan was obliged to win. Always. Second place was also a defeat. Milan is in my heart, but I am happy that I have turned a page."

    He said that Gianluca Vialli, a former Sampdoria player, and Aberigo Evani, a Milan teammate on loan to Sampdoria for a year, played a role in his decision. “Gianluca advised me to accept the offer, because in Genoa you live and play quietly. You still have to work, and there is still Mancini to help forward. And Evani is a friend with whom I had agreed at the end of the season to try to build something together outside Milan.”

    Gullit wanted and got a one-year contract with an option for another year. He earns 1.5 billion lire net per year, about two million guilders, plus a villa, cars, staff in the house. In accordance with UEFA rules, Sampdoria Milan paid 1.14 billion lire, about 1.5 million guilders, for Gullit, whose contract with Milan expired at the end of June.

    Gullit will face a club that made its name and became national champions in Sampdoria as a group of friends, with playmaker Roberto Mancini and Gianluca Vialli as pacemakers, and president Mantovani as a kind of patriarch ruling over the whole thing. The team, like Milan, plays the zone system and no man-to-man defence. Gullit said yesterday that this was an additional reason for choosing Sampdoria: "I've played like this all my life." What position he will play on the field is still unclear and depends on the possible arrival of English midfielder David Platt from Juventus to Sampdoria. "Maybe I'll play libero, it would be a chance to reopen my career," Gullit said.

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    Sampdoria fans greet Gullit

    GENOA, JULY 21. Gullit fever has broken out in Genoa. At the start of training for Sampdoria, his new club, Gullit, who arrived from AC Milan, was greeted by 12,000 supporters. The last time so many fans came to the pre-season presentation was in 1991, the year in which the national title was won. On the Via Aurelia, one of the main arteries in the city, the traffic was completely blocked several times. On the road to Bogliasco, where Sampdoria trains, a traffic jam of several kilometers long formed. After signing Gullit and the Englishman David Platt, the club sold 13,000 season tickets in one week.

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    (longer highlights, an 8 minutes version and longer versions, are on youtube; it is this game, certainly)

    Gullit scores against AC Milan

    UDINE, JULY 31. Ruud Gullit saved his first goal for Sampdoria for the match against his old club AC Milan. Gullit scored with a header on Thursday and later gave the assist to make it 2-0. The club from Genoa won the tournament with three clubs in Udine, by beating Udinese on penalties with 5-4. Gullit played against Udinese as libero, against Milan in midfield. (ANP)

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    That is just a pre-season friendly, but because it was against Milan it is included. When I continue tomorrow it is the actual season.
     
  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Van Gaal responded to that Gullit criticism I see. The Athletic, I am not surprised, did not include this response or other responses. There are a half dozen negative articles about our fans recently and only after elimination did they come with a positive article about the fans. That's not a coincidence, for me. One in ten articles are good but many of them are jingoism (for their club team, big league) or have a lhbti-wokist slant (Adam Crafton the worst).

    Either way, this is what Van Gaal said:


    https://www.goal.com/en/news/nether...iscrimination-allegations/blt4c7c4d285aa9fe5b

    10 june 2022:
    "I am always amazed that he can see from his home in Italy, or Amsterdam-South, whether an assistant coach is giving a training session or not. This week Edgar Davids provided an Italian dry training session. What does that entail? Because I did not want to burden the players, we practiced dry, so that the intensity was a bit lower. They do that almost every day in Italy, don't they?"
    Dumfries: "Yes"
    'Because he (Davids) played in Italy for a long time, twenty years ago, and has updated his knowledge. He can do that better than I can. So he provided the training. You can say anything and it won't be contradicted, unless the national coach says something. Henk Fräser is a head coach in the Netherlands. He has achieved great things with a number of small teams. He has also given training to Louis van Gaal, to myself. Then you have to be good. He has now been given a fantastic job at FC Utrecht. I have done everything I could to keep Fraser. I called [chairman] Frans van Seumeren.'
    'Edgar Davids now also gives training. He has done that a few times. At home, sitting in the chair, you cannot judge whether an assistant is giving a training. With me, every assistant gives training. Danny Blind is the head of scouting and analysis, this means he cannot always be there. Then Fraser or Davids has to do it most of the times. So what Gullit says is nonsense'

    https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/van-gaal-pakt-gullit-aan-op-persconferentie-het-is-onzin-
    (some minor corrections)

    Mentioned here though that my evaluation has moved upward over the past number of years and that's still true. The pundit Gullit is often a 3/10.

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/the-thread-for-ruud-gullit.2130952/page-4#post-42302427
     
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  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The line-up was this - ordered by shirt number

    SAMPDORIA vs MILAN 2-0 Goals: 3' Gullit, 26' Lombardo SAMPDORIA : Pagliuca, Mannini (44' Bucchioni), S. Rossi (35' Salsano), Jugovic, Vierchowod, Gullit (28' Serena), Lombardo, Sacchetti, Platt, Mancini (44' Bertarelli), Evani. MILAN : S. Rossi, Tassotti, P. Maldini, Albertini, F. Galli, Baresi II, Lentini, Boban, Raducioiu, Laudrup II, Simone - Coach: Capello

    Match lasted 45 minutes. Gullit was subbed out after he had received a knock, I think. Precaution. Later on the same day Milan played another 45 minutes match, with this.

    MILAN vs UDINESE 2-0 Goals: 38' Massaro, 44' Elber MILAN : Ielpo, Eranio, Al. Orlando, De Napoli, Costacurta, F. Galli, Carbone, Lantignotti I (41' Gambaro), Elber, Savicevic, Massaro - Coach: Capello UDINESE : Caniato, Pellegrini, Kozminski (25' Bertotto), Desideri, Montalbano, Sensini, S. Rossini, S. Rossitto (30' Manni), Del Vecchio, Biagioni, Statuto


    Sampdoria finished 1st in the pre-season mini-tournament, Milan second.
     
  12. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #187 PuckVanHeel, Jul 25, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2024
    Interesting selection here on a Sampdoria fan website of 'best players under Eriksson'

    The Blucerchiati people will have the opportunity to welcome and show all their affection to the Swedish coach, who is struggling with well-known health problems . Eriksson was one of the most important coaches in the history of the Blucerchiati, from 1992 to 1997, winning an Italian Cup, a third place and training about fifty players, some of whom were real champions, a rare commodity in this 'modern' football.

    We at the Blucerchiando staff, to pay homage to the coach born in Sunne, have drawn up a hypothetical top 11 of the players trained in the 5 years in Genoa.


    [​IMG]

    Can be read here in full:
    https://blucerchiando.com/2024/05/03/la-top-11-blucerchiata-di-sven-goraneriksson

    Here at 4:07 Eriksson himself is talking about Gullit (Sky Sports). Or here August 2011 against FourFourTwo: "Ruud Gullit - One of the best Dutch players, and there have been so many. Seldom do you see someone with such physical strength as well as technical ability. Ruud was extremely powerful and a goalscorer."

    Maybe you can say Rijkaard going back to Ajax and Gullit to Sampdoria, summer 1993, caused some later events.

    - Rijkaard got to know Edgar Davids better. Davids became only a national team player early 1994 (15 april was the first selection for the squad) and was not included for the 1994 World Cup roster. When Davids in 2003 entered a contract dispute with the Juventus triumvirate (Moggi, Bettega, Giraudi), it was already known then Davids refused to extend his contract, Rijkaard 'saved' him and his own Barcelona job by bringing him to Barcelona. Ronaldinho was immediately much more productive in the second half of 2003-04 as well. The unbeaten 2005-06 CL season (with 5 goals conceded, none open play) don't happen if Rijkaard gets sacked?



    - Seedorf would later follow Gullit, as Sampdoria player in 1995-96 (and selection for ESM team of the month; he has, as an aside, as many 'ESM team of the year' selections as the by ESPN highlighted Kroos, and even as many as Modric has). Though Mantovani had died by then, in the 1993-94 season. Sampdoria was then weaker as 1993, while in turn Mantovani said to Eriksson back then that they can no longer compete with the big boys financially. Capello was departing Milan for Real Madrid, saw Seedorf shining against his Milan team, and took him (and Karembeu) to Real Madrid. That was short on cash at the time.



    In an 'open access' article from 1996 (10 june 1996) I saw some interesting things, because it has certainly a relation to Gullit, I will share the bits:
    https://retro.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1996/06/10/Spo/01.html

    Seedorf, world citizen with Orange heart

    Even as a youth player he had the courage to contradict coaches. His ball skills and insight into the game made an impression. In England, Clarence Seedorf wants to show what he can do.

    By our editor ERIK OUDSHOORN
    BIRMINGHAM, JUNE 10.
    Rarely will an up-and-coming talent have been accompanied with as much drum sound as Clarence Seedorf. Already at the age of fourteen, he was a footballer who, in the eyes of some qualified coaches, had more to offer than Ruud Gullit or Frank Rijkaard in their younger years. Seedorf, now twenty, has learned to live with these high expectations. He also set his ambitions accordingly. That is why, more than any other footballer, he has no problem with the word 'reserve'. It would be no shame if the 1.77 meter tall strong man does not get a permanent place in the Dutch national team at the European Championship. Companions of his generation at the same level, such as his future teammate Raul from Real Madrid and De la Pena from FC Barcelona are also missing from the international stage in England. However, Seedorf wants to prove at the European Championship that he can compete with the best.
    [...]
    Seedorf also immediately stood out because of his personality. It is not without reason that he was the captain of the UEFA youth team for many years. Van Lingen: "He has always been a boy who takes charge. In that respect a type like Van Basten. At the European Under-16 Championship in Cyprus, he once put a player on the other side of the table during the meal. That boy had been too difficult and had to sit somewhere else. Clarence is terribly intelligent. He knows power and powerlessness within the football world. He also knows how football players can be abused by peripheral figures. It is typical that he leaves the business guidance to his father and not to someone who will want to make money from him."

    As a youth player, Seedorf already had the courage to speak against coaches. Both at Ajax and the Dutch national team. "That often led to long discussions about football," said Van Lingen. "They weren't unpleasant. Clarence is not willing to just do something without knowing the philosophy behind it [confirmed much later by the AC Milan psychologist here - read that!]. In this respect he is a true exponent of the Dutch school. We would like our football players not to walk hand in hand with others and do what they say.”

    That self-awareness made Clarence Seedorf decide a year ago to turn his back on Ajax and opt for an Italian adventure. Van Gaal did not want to guarantee him a starting place after winning the European Cup. Seedorf feared he would be left out because Ronald de Boer had definitively taken his most preferred place as right half. So alternatives had to be sought. Italy was already the promised land of the 'black four' within Ajax and now the Dutch: Davids, Reiziger, Kluivert and Seedorf. He had hoped for Juventus, but that club pulled out at the last minute. [...]
    Coincidentally, he had met Ruud Gullit for the first time in his life a few weeks earlier. "Clarence, if you ever get the chance to play in Serie A, you should grab it with both hands," the star told him. A few weeks later, after his aunt Vera, a lawyer, had arranged the final formalities for the transfer, Seedorf contacted Gullit again. Now to get advice about a house. Through an estate agent from Gullit, Seedorf rented a small castle near Nervi with a view over the azure blue Mediterranean Sea.
    [...]
    In Genoa, Seedorf made an impression after a somewhat hesitant start. He proudly states that he played 33 games in the starting team, contrary to the reports that permeated the Netherlands. Fabio Capello, who moved from Milan to Real Madrid, recognized his qualities and ensured that the cash-strapped "Royal" put [at least] eight million guilders on the table for his transfer.
    [...]
    He continues to develop as a world citizen with an Orange heart. "I may have Surinamese parents and I may live abroad, but I still feel at home in the Dutch team. Because this team is a true reflection of our country, a mix of many cultures." (embarrassing how in february 2019 he had to say the same thing)

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    To make this brief: you can say Rijkaard to Ajax made later his coaching career and achievements possible (maybe even euro 2000?). Gullit to Sampdoria made Seedorf to Sampdoria and then Capello/Madrid possible.
     
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  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    There are many fascinating things in the archive and archives.

    At the end of October 1993 there are already articles about Juventus receiving an unusually high amount of penalties (the Calciopoli scheming started around 1994 if I am not mistaken?). Compared to Milan, also Sampdoria. That was for a long time competing for the championship. Maybe I include this later...

    Funnily, mister Cruijff in Barcelona was not completely convinced. He pointed out that you get fewer penalties if you're defending close to your goal all the time. Milan themselves leaned on serial rotational tactical fouling, by 1993-94.

    Cruijff also recalled that, on balance, serial championship winners as Real Madrid and Juventus (22 Serie A titles until then) have maybe an advantage, and when he himself as player returned to Europe in 1981 it was also like "let's be happy the great Cruijff is here" (even though he and his ankle got kicked out of the pitch against Celtic - after which the scored the decisive equalizer - and PSV too, really, but Cruijff doesn't say this...)

    Then this: 13 august 1993 comments and brief interview by PSV sporting director (here they're called 'manager') Kees Ploegsma:

    "After some “tough discussions”, as Ploegsma calls them, both parties agreed on ten million. Cruijff lent PSV a helping hand by continually praising Romario's talents in publicity. Ploegsma: “He always showed in many magazines that he considered Romario one of the best strikers in the world. He would also include him in his world team. Romario's qualities were therefore not up for discussion during the negotiations.” [is this like Richard Witschge to Barcelona back then?]
    [...]
    After both parties had agreed on the transfer fee [10 million], the method of payment was discussed. It turned out that the club that was considered so rich, could only put down six million in cash. Ploegsma: “I think everyone here has a wrong impression of Barcelona. Those hundred thousand socios only pay membership fees. They do not receive a season ticket or access to European Cup matches for this. Of course you cannot look behind the scenes of another club, but this is now the second time that we have seen how difficult it is for Barcelona to pay for a transfer. Money was borrowed for Ronald Koeman from the financing agency ECO Finance. As a rule, Spanish clubs cannot spend as much money as in Italy. We also noticed this at the time with the transfer of Ruud Gullit. Real Madrid was interested, but that club absolutely could not afford the seventeen million that Milan was willing to pay. Spain has been thinking about special tax regulations for the football industry.”
    [...]
    He recently stated in this newspaper that Ajax had also been an attractive alternative for him. Ploegsma would have liked to keep Romario for Dutch football, if necessary playing for the competitor. But Ajax was not interested. Apart from the fact that the Amsterdammers had never met his salary demands, there was another reason. “Romario has already been ruined at PSV, in his football style” said Ajax treasurer Arie van Os.

    -----------------------------------------------

    Gullit returning to the national team remained a thing. That will undoubtedly return below. It seemed like Gullit himself didn't know it any more. From a 'strong generation is waiting' (see a brief comment earlier this thread) to 'I can be that cherry on the cake' (months later).

    That there was something underneath was already said by assistant national team manager Van Lingen on 23 september 1992.

    Budding talent ready for future Oranje

    The Dutch national team is in need of rejuvenation for the next cycles term. The average age is late twenties. The strong Gullit/Van Basten generation is reaching its peak. The pressure on national coach Dick Advocaat to rejuvenate is increasing as the Oranje's results decline. Assistant national coach Bert van Lingen oversees the maturing talents in the various age groups.
    [...]
    But behind this is a much stronger group in the age group of sixteen to eighteen years. “Here you see five or six top players. Some are now even better than Gullit and Rijkaard at that age. Yet I do not expect that there will suddenly be a completely new Dutch team, as we had to an extent with the generation of Gullit, Rijkaard, Van Basten in the eighties. It will be much more gradual.”
    [...]
    However, according to Van Lingen, there is enough talent. In the category of sixteen-eighteen year olds he mentions names such as Seedorf, Offenberg, Witzenhausen, Oulida (all Ajax), Dirkx (PSV), Van Bommel (Fortuna Sittard) and Platvoet (FC Twente) [CS and MvB played together in midfield for some Oranje youth teams indeed, both are among the youngest Eredivisie players ever].
    [...]
    The abilities of Clarence Seedorf in particular are currently being talked about with awe by every coach. Van Lingen: “He is fast, quicksilver two-footed has an enormous range and a sense of leadership. A top talent must have some kind of independence in thinking and doing. Van Basten also had that idiosyncrasy at the age of fourteen or fifteen. Such a feeling: others have to play in my service, then I will win the big things for them. Seedorf also keeps an eye on the collective. At Ajax I also expect a lot from Danny Landzaat. [...]
    "Take Dennis Bergkamp. As a youth player, I only noticed him because of his timid attitude. At the Dutch Juniors he was a bit on the sidelines. There was no point in that. He played in A2 at Ajax. One of the youngest in his age group. But now he stands out from the same boys in his age group who were much more dominant as teenagers. His role on the field, his playing experience and insight, you only see that with the real stars. Dennis has achieved this mainly with a disciplined life as well.”
    [...]
    The efforts have so far been rewarded as the association still has more than a million members. “While the Central Planning Bureau had calculated for us that we would now be at 600,000 due to the declining birth rate. Nowadays you have to do a lot to keep children interested in football. If you let things take their course, like the korfball and basketball associations, you will lose ground. It all has to do with the changes in society. The degree of prosperity, the world has become more volatile. The children spend more time in front of the TV, the education, go away for weekends or longer holidays.”

    Inventive measures were necessary to maximize the involvement of children around the age of ten in football. “We saw on video footage that children sometimes did not get the ball for an entire match. They would stand there shivering along the line. That's why we changed the regulations. They only play in teams when they are eleven years old. Before that, seven against seven on a half field without an offside rule. But there is also a four-on-four competition. You still see boys hanging on the crossbar during pupil football, picking flowers, or digging out a molehill.”
    [...]
    The Van Bastens and Vanenburgs, who have been given everything to become a top football player, dominate in that environment. But they emerge under all circumstances and are then accepted by the training courses of Ajax, PSV or Feyenoord. “Don't think it will be easy for them. We sometimes look back nostalgically at the top players of the fifties and sixties. But football has been developed so enormously. A player has to put in a lot of effort to reach the highest level. After that it is often subjective and we as coaches don't always know it either.”
    [...]

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  14. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    I think all the most popular clubs start with +6 or more points in their national leagues. They simply have a huge influence behind the scenes. I try to be realistic. These clubs are billion-dollar ventures against small businesses. Tha's happen

    Juventus, Milan etc have only been caught in 2006. Sometimes it happens too

    I doubt that Barcelona is not guilty and will be punished in the negreira case, for example.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negreira_case
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This was not coincidentally during a time Barcelona won habitually league championships (and yes, also overlapping with Messi his stay).

    There was also a time Barcelona won only 2 in 30 years, or two in 49 years minus Cruijff, Van Gaal and Rijkaard as manager (and one of those two with Cruijff as player of course).

    In Sid Lowe his book (which is dubious/debatable on a few places) you have Real Madrid figures saying for a long time Atletico Madrid was seen as the bigger rival; in number of league titles between 1966 and 1996 that makes some sense, also top three finishes.

    Between 1996 and 2004 you had Atletico, Depor and Valencia winning league championships as well (and Sociedad very, very close in 2003).

    Either way, the next one will be about Gullit and Sampdoria certainly, but before this I thought there is just some too interesting stuff (Real Madrid unable to pay Gullit, AC Milan could, in 1987).
     
  16. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    (the start of the 1993-94 season, here a preview, will take a bit longer)

    This less gradual introduction is something 'we' can easily see in the archives, yes.

    First the earliest mentions for Gullit, concluding with Rijvers hinting in 1981 a sudden introduction might happen.

    One of the earliest mention in Delpher is this (24 april 1978) - two of the short ones (@PDG1978 @Wiliam Felipe Gracek):

    24-04-1978:
    "The Dutch youth team of 15-year-olds drew 3-3 against the English youth team on Saturday afternoon in front of 3,500 spectators in Leiden. The half-time score was 2-2. The Netherlands owed the draw in large part to captain Gullit (DWS), who played very strongly both defensively and offensively."
    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010563294:mpeg21:a0165

    "LEIDEN (ANP) - The Dutch youth football team under 15 years played a 3-3 draw against the youth team from England on Saturday afternoon. Captain Gullit (DWS) played a major role in the Dutch performance. Score progression: 5 (0-1) Brock; 7 (1-1) Schoors; 11 (1-2) Gibson; 28 (2-2) Heydenrijk; 57 (2-3) Brooks; 64 (3-3) Gullit."
    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=KBPERS01:002942020:mpeg21:a00146

    08-05-1978:
    "Emmen (ANP) - The Dutch youth team (14 and 15 year olds) lost to France in Emmen without a chance in this game: 2-5. The 3500 mainly young spectators saw Gullit of DWS help the Netherlands to the lead in the 26th minute. Ten minutes later, absolute star Paganelli scored the equalizer. The same player from Avignon scored two more goals after the break. The other French goals were scored by Jerzacharian (Martigues) and Goudet (Ernee). Feyenoord player Schoors scored again."
    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ABCDDD:010882289:mpeg21:p015


    21-07-1979
    The Dutch UEFA team (under 19) still managed to conclude the Four Countries Tournament in Assen yesterday evening with a 0-0 draw against Poland. The Dutch youth team played slightly better than on Wednesday against Denmark. However, the 2,500 spectators around the Achilles field were far from jubilant, because the draw was in favor of the Poles, who claimed the tournament victory on the basis of a better goal difference. Denmark lost its last match against Norway (1-2), but also finished in third place due to better goal scores.
    [...]
    Oranje's occasional libero Ruud Gullit recovered against Poland from his weak performances in the two previous matches. The dark Haarlemmer sought the attack less often and he even played flawlessly defensively. However, the fact that he remained in the back lines during the last ten minutes was at least remarkable. Gullit showed, especially in the first half, that he can do quite a driving work offensively.
    [...]
    For the northern football fans it was a pity this week that the city-Groninger Erwin Koeman was absent from the UEFA's. He is still enjoying a rest period. Koeman would not only be an important reinforcement for the Netherlands at the Four Countries Tournament, but he would also undoubtedly have been able to split the tight Polish defence at least once with a clever pass. But while the Oranje youth made vain attempts, Erwin was fooling around with some friends during a relaxed training game in Paterswolde at about the same time.
    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:011018772:mpeg21:p009


    01-11-1979

    Thanks to a goal by Volendammer René Tol, the Dutch UEFA team for players aged 16-18 defeated Belgium 1-0 (halftime 0-0) in Waalwijk last night in front of 2000 spectators.

    Before halftime, the Dutch team played faster and more directly than the Belgians and they were given a lot of space, especially in midfield, but were unable to make use of it. Belgium even got the best opportunity, when Leo van der Eist (a brother of Anderlecht's Francois) came up against goalkeeper Keuch (AZ) alone. Last man Ruud Gullit (Haarlem) blocked the ball at the last moment.

    Ten minutes after halftime, a good move by Kraay led to the only goal. After a quick rush and a cross from the Ajax player, Tol was able to tap in with composure. The Netherlands then focused on consolidating the lead, which they succeeded in doing.

    Despite the victory, coach Ger Blok was not really satisfied. "The boys lacked inventiveness and, above all, aggression. They played too soberly and there were too many useless actions from the midfield. I found the level disappointing [for this level]." The line-up of Oranje: Keuch (AZ 67); Kraay (Ajax), Blind (Sparta), Gullit (Haarlem), Haverkort (Ajax); De Vroedt (FC Den Haag), Holshuysen (Ajax) replaced by Dilling (FC Twente), Koeman (Groningen); Tol (Volendam), Cooke (FC Twente) replaced by Gaasbeek (DOVO), Kelderman (De Graafschap) replaced by F. Rutten (FC Twente).

    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010960415:mpeg21:a0489

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    Part one, second part next.
     
  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    De Telegraaf 26-09-1979

    Ruud prefers pressure

    AMSTERDAM, Wednesday Don't tell Ruud Gullit any fairy tales. Don't think that the Haarlem player, who is only seventeen years old, can be fooled, because then you've come to the wrong place. Gullit is very consciously engaged in his well-paid hobby. He knows very well what is best for him. Admittedly, the young Amsterdammer himself says that he still has a lot to learn in the football profession, but the HAVO student [2nd highest level high school, pre-18] does want to be able to express his own opinion very clearly. To whomever.

    Of course he is happy that Barry Hughes has seen and still sees a gifted talent in him, but that same Gullit, as young and inexperienced as he still is, does not find it at all pleasant that his trainer had assigned him a place in midfield in the away match against Go Ahead Eagles last Saturday. He has let Hughes know as well. "Hughes said that as the last man I did not give enough leadership, but I completely disagree. I have certainly played good matches in that position. By the way, I found it horrible in that midfield on Saturday. I didn't get a proper ball and had to keep chasing my man. I'd rather be under pressure as the last man. Then you at least touch a few balls and then you can grow in the game."

    Clear language from Ruud Gullit, who was taken away from the Amsterdam amateur club DWS by Barry Hughes two years ago. With the flair of a great player, he won a considerable competition battle at a very young age. As a result, Hughes thought he could no longer ignore the UEFA international in the pre-season. As an experiment, the then sixteen-year-old was posted as the last man. "I think that has worked out well for me against every opponent we have had so far. So you can call the experiment a success", according to Ruud Gullit, who has been in the top group of the Telesport rankings for the Eredivisie promise of the year for many weeks now and who also quickly caught the eye of many top clubs. The Eredivisie spotlight had barely been focused on Gullit when his performances were already being watched by "more than interested" Anderlecht eyes. A high compensation amount that Haarlem wanted to collect, however, made the European top team from Brussels club quickly disappear from the scene again.

    Gullit about it: "I was also surprised when I heard that Anderlecht was interested in me. My career has been going really fast up until now, but I didn't expect this. I was also amazed when I heard that a possible transfer would involve a sum of one million guilders or more. I thought that was a bit ridiculous. It may sound crazy coming from me, but I completely agree Anderlecht is not going to pay that amount for merely a seventeen-year-old footballer."
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:011200581:mpeg21:a0477


    26-11-1980 (NRC Handelsblad - the Rotterdam newspaper of before in the thread)

    Top trainers look forward to seeing UEFA-teens

    Top footballers are unaffordable these days and more and more clubs are forced to look for reinforcements for their elite teams among the country's youth. Presumably the qualifying match Netherlands-Belgium (1-3) for players between 16 and 19 years old, yesterday in Sittard, had therefore so many qualified trainers around.
    [...]
    Trainers as Baan, Blok, Beenhakker, Piet de Visser, Van Doorneveld accepted the long travelling time to Sittard.
    [...]
    "We are convinced," said De Visser, the technical director of Roda JC afterwards, "that there are some excellent players in this age group, in potential many are as good or better as the babyboomers that went to two World Cup finals and not all of them had the same facilities and opportunities while growing up."
    [...]
    The so-called "UEFA youth team" looked good on paper, despite everything. In each game there was a player who had already made it to the Eredivisie: Ronald Koeman (FC Groningen), for Ajax Rijkaard on the left field. The Belgians, who had a representative from the high school in Wegria - the son of international Victor Wegria - seemed weaker in the first half and in the last minutes it also looked like the young Devils would become easy prey for the country. The Haarlemmer Gullit claimed the leading role. The dark-skinned player could handle anything with a good pass, frequently outplayed the Belgians and repeatedly displayed defensive qualities.
    [...]


    01-09-1981

    Swiss recognize our football problems

    [...]
    Handicap
    The absence in Zurich of the Dutch internationals who play in foreign competitions and the fact that AZ'67, who only gave up Metgod to Oranje, will be playing in Madrid with almost their entire team to participate in the Bernabeu tournament, has been widely reported in the Swiss media. The only one who still manages to muster some understanding for the situation is the Swiss national coach Paul Wolfisberg, who is confronted with similar problems as his Dutch colleague Kees Rijvers. René Botteron has indeed been given permission by Rinus Michels at FC Köln, against the wish of the Cologne board, to play against the Netherlands, but the second Swiss top player, Barberis who plays for Monaco, is not given time off due to competition obligations.
    This is a handicap for coach Wolfisberg, who achieved such good results with Switzerland against England (1-1), Hungary (2-1) and Czechoslovakia (1-0) earlier this season and wanted to use the match against the Netherlands to optimally practice for the decisive qualifying matches for the World Cup against Romania and Hungary in the autumn. Barberis' absence is also annoying for Kees Rijvers. He would have liked to see Bennie Wijnstekers of Feyenoord, who will have to eliminate the Irish international of Juventus Liam Brady in Rotterdam against Ireland next week, in action against him. Just as Johnny Metgod has to practice in Switzerland for next week, when he is given the task of eliminating one of the Irish specialists in the forward line.
    [...]
    The fact that Rijvers is already in conflict with the club management of both AZ and PSV — both boards are irritated because they were informed too late about Rijvers' plans with an international — can only be beneficial for the future. The club management of clubs that supply players to Oranje and a sometimes over-exaggerated star (Jan Peters of AZ '67) will only learn to live with the fact that the sometimes headstrong Rijvers is much less prepared to compromise than his friendly but confused predecessor Jan Zwartkruis. A certain distrust can hardly be denied to Rijvers, who took his own steaks abroad as an international. But he is tactically very well informed and knows in any case what is happening in national and international top football. Oranje has not had such a trainer since Michels and Happel.

    The Rijvers line is to continue with the "foreigners" (such as Krol, Thijssen, Mühren, Rep - Tahamata will be there again against Ireland in Rotterdam) as long as the Netherlands still has a chance to qualify for Spain. If this does not work, then in the future, as far as experienced and often somewhat saturated "foreigners" are concerned, the players will be selected more sharply on the basis of their performance and quality, and the youth in the Netherlands will have a greater say in Oranje. There will be a sharper break with the past, said Rijvers. It is a line that remains to be seen to what extent it will be consistently implemented, but in any case it is one that deserves credit. Oranje and Rijvers cannot afford a haphazard preparation where players arrive one day before kick-off or not at all.
    [...]
    National coach Kees Rijvers before departure at Schiphol amidst four newcomers. From left to right: Wim Kieft, Ruud Gullit, Frank Rijkaard and Willy Janssen.
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    @Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kees_Rijvers#Coaching_career
     
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  18. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This was his debut, yes
    https://voetbalstats.nl/opstelnedxi.php?wid=405



    He'd play one other friendly before the 1984 cycle but his first competitive game was for the 1984 tournament (8 teams qualifying, losing out on goal difference against eventual finalist). In the 1986 cycle he played only 4 qualifying games, completed 3. 1986 as mentioned a play-off against Belgium, red card in the first leg after 5 minutes, second leg losing out on away goals. Second leg referee was such formalistic Brit again (just as 1983 YWC against Argentina... England has never done Argentina since 1966 on senior level) and then you know how this might end.
     
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  19. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Disappearance of Haarlem hurts Gullit

    Jan 26, 2010 at 9:06 am
    AMSTERDAM - The bankruptcy of HFC Haarlem also hurts Ruud Gullit. ''With the disappearance of that club, football loses a piece of beautiful history'', the greatest and best known player Haarlem ever had reacted to the Telegraaf.

    Gullit was brought to Haarlem as a youth player from DWS in the 1970s by the now legendary trainer Barry Hughes.

    ''I had a great time there, got to know the profession of professional footballer and earned a transfer to Feyenoord. As a footballer I also lose some of my history. In professional football it all started for me at Haarlem.''

    'Terrible'
    The former attacker who also played for PSV, AC Milan and the Dutch national team saw the end of the club coming. ''If there is no income and no audience, bankruptcy is inevitable.''

    "A merger with Telstar might have extended the existence, but the club people don't want that. Although it was a hopeless case, I still find it terrible," says Gullit.

    Other than how his national team career ended (1994 World Cup etc.) and that he never returned to his native league; what hasn't helped his reputation is how he has appeared with his private life in publications, and his own role in this (like himself saying he eavesdropped his wife inside and behind a waste container). It is again hard to know if that is always fair or accurate. See the Trouw and Volkskrant articles here directly below.

    Weekend sees what others don't see (21/08/1995)
    The facts: Ruud Gullit plays in Rotterdam with Chelsea against Feyenoord. He greets his ex-wife, Yvonne de Vries - it is a normal greeting - and the two daughters from his first marriage.

    One of them says Hup Pappa. Dozens of people are witnesses. After the match, Gullit takes his children by the hand and leads them into the Maasgebouw next to the Kuip. After fifteen minutes, the trio returns to Yvonne. When a photographer from Weekend pushes forward, Yvonne quickly takes a few steps aside. 'The gossip magazines will soon write that we are in a relationship again.' Gullit gets into the players' bus. His daughters wave him goodbye with a smile. 'Bye, daddy' This week in Weekend: 'Ruud Gullit's secret date with ex-wife Yvonne.' And: 'Daughter Sharmaine cries when mom and dad are back together.' Inside: 'The reunion of the brand-new Chelsea player and his ex-wife was moving. When the footballer showed his face, his daughters ran to hug him. Yvonne, who had come to Rotterdam with a friend, looked on with a smile. 'Gullit promised his daughters, according to Weekend, that he would have more time for them the next day. 'As he drove away, tears rolled down their cheeks and Felicity and Sharmaine tried almost desperately to call their famous father back as they waved goodbye.'

    Ruud crawls into bed and falls asleep (21/04/1999)
    “You are a beautiful woman,” he says, and he walks past her...

    For the first time in her life she hears him say that she is beautiful. Does she hear it right? 'Unfortunately we are not suited to each other.' Yvonne stays in bed for weeks. And so it turns out once again that roses often wither and ships sometimes sink, and love certainly does not last forever. Yes indeed, even at the side of a famous top footballer, not all that glitters is gold. Yvonne is Yvonne de Vries, the first wife of Ruud Gullit. Together with Bert Hiddema she has written a book. It is called A Football Fairytale, My Life with a Sports Hero, was published by Luitingh-Sijthoff and contains a handy overview of important dates from the lives of Ruud and Yvonne. 'September 1975: Yvonne goes to the Havo in the Zocherstraat.' In Eindhoven, making love was limited to once a month, but even that is no longer possible. He says 'good night' and immediately turns around. Yvonne tries everything. Spicy lingerie and high-heeled shoes, but then he claims to have a headache. That's the kind of book it is, sticky, without depth and historically insignificant, something like a part of the Bouquet series. The fairy tale ends badly: Gullit runs off with someone else. On the back of the book, Hiddema - or, more likely, an editor from the publisher - asks the reader three questions. Here are the answers. -

    What is it like to be the wife of a sports idol?

    Not always fun. Gullit is always away or on the road, often possessed by his job, hardly bothers with the children and doesn't share his secrets. In fact, he is a rather annoying, egotistical as a sportsman, even somewhat stupid man outside his main expertise. Sometimes impulsive and sensitive as well in his decisions.

    Putting everything at the service of his career?

    That is of course a heavy sacrifice. In the beginning, the luxury compensates for a lot, but after a while you start to get the feeling that you are not taken seriously and only have a limited role: making it as easy as possible for him.

    Working together to fulfill a dream?

    That takes quite some effort, of course. You don't just become a top footballer. Others work for you or you do it yourself. Of course, it is completely tragic when the dream becomes a nightmare. Dreams are deceptive, Hiddema concludes. She feels something she can't place, except that it is indescribably bad. 'I don't want you anymore.' Is that all he has to say? 'I don't want you anymore!'

    Open letter (27/01/1999)

    Ladies, is it wise to take revenge through a targeted public relations campaign on your ex-husband, who left you, the children and a leaky gutter behind and ran off with a girlfriend so young that he sometimes mistakenly calls her by the name of his eldest daughter?
    [...]
    I doubt it. This morning I was reading the page that Henk van der Meyden generously gave to Christina Pensa, the second wife of Ruud Gullit, in De Telegraaf. "Why do you lie to our children like that?" was the title of the "heartbreaking open letter", which she probably wrote while Van der Meyden looked over her shoulder like a strict teacher. "And now you have to use capital letters again, Christina", he said every now and then, and then she would write, for example: "WHO IS THE RUDE ONE HERE, RUDY?"
    Such a painful accusation can easily turn against the accuser herself. I had almost wept with pity for Christina as I ploughed through Gullit's worst misdeeds, when I was sobered by this sentence: "You only pay me ten thousand guilders a month, half of what you pay your ex-wife YVONNE for the children you have with her and never want to see."
    Gullit is a kind of patron! There are many women who would happily kick their husbands out onto the street if he were prepared to pay ten to twenty thousand guilders a month in return.
    [...] Hypocritical of course from The Sunday Times, but that's part of it — as Henk van der Meyden undoubtedly said to his editor-in-chief: "That Christina is a ********ING BITCH."

    Football fairy tales (18/08/1999)
    Ruud Gullit has seen better years. First of all, his club, Newcastle United, is doing badly. On Sunday evening, it looked as if Gullit, after a humiliating defeat against Southampton, would have to leave as manager of the club. He may stay for the time being, but the axe is ready.
    [...]
    The troubles don't stop outside the lines of the football field, however. Gullit is also pursued by two vengeful exes and a grumbling father-in-law. While Gullit rarely lets herself be tempted into making juicy statements, these three have abandoned all forms of discretion. Ex 1, Yvonne de Vries, appeared in a report in Playboy a year ago. Unvarnished in terms of text. "At one point I thought: He's gay or he has other women," she told the men's magazine about her ex, who 'had headaches three times a week' during their marriage. The report was just a start. In April, her book 'A football fairy tale, my life with a sports hero' was published. In it, she mainly wanted to say that fairy tales do not exist in Gullit's case. For Yvonne, Ruud - once 'the love of her life' - is now public enemy number one. Ex 2, Christina Pensa, told her story about Ruud in three parts to the English gossip newspaper The Sun at the beginning of this year. The Italian model told about the Greet Hofmans-like scenes that had taken place during her marriage to Ruud: 'A voodoo healer drove us apart.' De Telegraaf took over the stories and also published the open letter that a desperate Pensa wrote to Gullit. 'You have only seen our children for four hours in a year and yet you keep saying that you love them. Is this your idea of love?', Christina wrote and the whole world was allowed to read along. She had no other choice, because: 'We don't even have a telephone number for your home or a mobile number. Instead, we have to call your club Newcastle United. And then you still don't answer the calls... Please be a father to Quincy and Cheyenne again! The father they love so much and for whom they cry so much!' Yvonne and her daughters Felicity and Charmayne have exactly the same experience. 'I have to beg on my knees for him to please come for the children', she told Beau Monde in March. In the meantime, the two exes have joined forces. The children see each other regularly. Yvonne: 'They are going through exactly the same thing and then you know: it's his fault, not ours.' 'Yesterday, father-in-law Henny Cruyff (brother of, has an on-and-off relation with Johan) also put his two cents in. Gullit has been dating Henny's daughter, Estelle Cruyff, for three years. They have a daughter, Joëlle. But Henny doesn't trust Gullit. [...]
    Estelle would demand that Ruud return to the Netherlands and find work there. But according to Henny that is nonsense. "Suddenly he acted like an ideal father and family man... it made me sick." (De Telegraaf) In short, Gullit can have his fun with this candid company. [...]

    Ruud Gullit says he eavesdropped on Estelle (20/06/2012)

    AMSTERDAM, NU.nl - Ruud Gullit recently felt that something was wrong with his wife Estelle. To make sure that his feeling that she had someone else was right, he listened to her.
    That's how he discovered that she was cheating on him with kickboxer Badr Hari. The former footballer tells this in the Story.

    Gullit says in the magazine that Estelle was secretly doing it with her mobile phone. He didn't trust that. In the interview he says that he then took 'certain measures', so that 'at home I could follow everything that was discussed when I wasn't there myself'. He also wanted to find out which of their friends and family members he could and couldn't trust.

    That's how he discovered that his wife wasn't on a weekend trip to Ibiza with Leco van Zadelhoff, as she had said, but in Marrakech with Badr Hari. He claims to have watched Estelle arrive at Schiphol from behind a dumpster.

    Struggle
    The sportsman tells the magazine that he confronted his lover with his findings, but that she denied everything. Thanks to the aforementioned 'measures', he later heard how Estelle discussed all the intimate details of the trip with the boxer with her mother.

    According to Gullit, his wife and mother-in-law laughed at him behind his back and called him a fool, things he said were worse than the deception itself.
    [...]

    Ronald de Boer plays a prank on Gullit

    UPDATE Ronald de Boer played a prank on Ruud Gullit on Twitter. The former player and twin brother of Ajax coach Frank de Boer posted a photo on Twitter this weekend showing Ruud Gullit in a bin.

    Ronald de Boer did this in response to the stories that emerged around Gullit's divorce. For example, it became known that Gullit had spied on his wife at Schiphol from behind and inside a waste container. Said Gullit in an interview. The accompanying text on twitter: 'Back in Holland, Ruud was here again'.

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    Some examples of 'reputation damage' in the media:

    09 december 1988 - Ruud Gullit in a TV interview: story about mistress is made up
    [...]
    Gullit told RAI 1 that his relationship with his wife Yvonne is excellent, who sang anti-apartheid songs with the reggae group Revelation Time on Canale Cinque, another Berlusconi channel.
    [...]
    When asked if he only has problems in football, Gullit replied: "Now yes. It is against my principles to talk about my private life, but in the last few months they have invented an incredible story." He
    was referring to reports of a relationship between Gullit and a sports journalist from the magazine La Repubblica, first reported by a kind of Italian Privé. "It's strange, I've found so many friends in Italy and also a girlfriend, something that is normal in the Netherlands. But unfortunately it was a journalist. I think there were people who were afraid that I talked to her too much and not enough to them." He suggested that the story about a mistress was made up when he was unable to play for a while and there was less to write about. When asked why he didn't say earlier that it wasn't true, Gullit said: "My private life is private. I don't want to defend myself for something that isn't true."
    https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/1988/12/0...r-minnares-is-verzonnen-kb_000029999-a3602003


    04 august 1990 - Claim against Gullit
    Ruud Gullit's ex-wife has filed a claim for 4.5 million guilders with the judge in Milan, where the divorce proceedings are ongoing. Yvonne Gullit, who left the long-injured star of AC Milan and the Dutch national team a year ago, wants to prove that she played a major role in the career of her footballing husband. Gullit is known as one of the best-paid players in the Italian league.

    27 February 1997 - Ruud has not seen [any of] his kids in 10 months
    https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Ruud+hasn't+seen+his+kids+in+nearly+10+months.-a061047229

    14 september 2010 - Gullit's ex-wife seizes his houses
    Christina Pensa, the ex-wife of Ruud Gullit, has seized all of the former footballer's properties in Amsterdam. This was reported by RTL Boulevard.

    Ruud and Christina were married for six years and had two children. After their divorce, the court in Milan ruled that the children must spend a number of days with Gullit during the holidays. If this does not happen, their father must pay.

    According to the Italian, Gullit does not adhere to the agreements. The children are never with him and he has only paid the mandatory compensation once. In order to increase the pressure on Gullit, his ex has now had his properties seized.
    https://www.at5.nl/artikelen/48178/ex-vrouw-gullit-legt-beslag-op-zijn-panden

    23 april 2016 - Destitute? 'Children stopped Ruud Gullit's bankruptcy application out of pity'
    https://www.welingelichtekringen.nl...lissementsaanvraag-ruud-gullit-uit-medelijden
    https://www.telegraaf.nl/entertainment/427883/faillietverklaring-gullit-gestopt

    06 april 2017 - Italian ex-wife wants Gullit in jail
    https://www.telegraaf.nl/entertainment/1336775/italiaanse-ex-wil-ruud-gullit-achter-de-tralies

    21 april 2017 - Gullit demolishes the parasite ex-wife
    'Women have cost me enormous sums', Ruud Gullit sighed. Yesterday, however, he achieved success. The Black Tulip crushed his ex-wife in court.
    https://www.quotenet.nl/nieuws/a195413/ruud-gullit-sloopt-parasitaire-ex-195413/


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    And so on... it creates a certain image. Maybe and possibly not entirely fair.
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    you need to bring much more whole games .... of Ruud Gullit in career ... something new .


    mainly HFC Haarlem .... Feyenoord ... PSV ... Holland whole games ...


    are you really dutchman ????



    For me

    you sounds of being much more a belgian person than dutchman .. !


    you sounds of being one big fan of Eden Hazard ..
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024












    Ruud Gullit was a good game for sure ...

    but the games against .... Lecce ... Napoli .. in the start of the season .. for sure were better than that game above !
     
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  22. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I will first go to the end of his career and then return to the beginning.

    Gullit was in 1993 also close to signing for Torino. His family blocked it. Just as Valencia.

    Capello said before the 1993 final Van Basten is physically and mentally not okay but "he is such an exceptional player that he selects himself".
    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:011020243:mpeg21:a0350

    Barcelona: Cruijff liked the idea but said Gullit is probably too expensive. They first have to offload one or two foreigners.
    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:011020284:mpeg21:a0209

    He was already photographed with Beckenbauer (with his agent and lawyer). See the picture here:
    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010691814:mpeg21:a0316

    Lothar Matthäus said he would like to give the #10 shirt to Gullit (Gullit did not care; see Sampdoria and captain Mancini retaining the #10).
    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=KBPERS01:003281014:mpeg21:a00191

    "I applaud the club with attracting this super player. He is an exceptional footballer. If he wants my number ten, he can have it."

    "I had also a heavy knee operation. Promptly I was useless for top level football. If I play a bad game, then I am too old. Gullit remains an excellent player. Every time he participated at Milan, he had habitually a fine performance. The knee would have been an important question. But I know our club doctor Muller-Wohlfart. If he has approved Gullit like he has done it means the knee is for more than hundred percent allright."
    "If he has to play as forward or midfielder is for the trainer to decide."
    "We have already a libero. That place is not open. I am a year older than him. When it is necessary I will phase out my career and contribution as libero. Ruud will not be here to fade out his career, I assume."
     
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  23. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Hard to surpass the "sits in a bin, Sherlock Holmes" story, said by himself, but this is also a nice one:

    Head Gullit on banner website for cheaters

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    Last weekend, Ruud Gullit was depicted on a banner for a dating website especially for men and women who want to cheat. The banner hung at an internet event on the Westergasfabriek grounds in Amsterdam.

    October 15, 2012, 11:54 am

    It was a canvas from VictoriaMilan.nl, the website that claims to be 'the largest European dating site for people already in a relationship'. The text next to Ruud's head read: 'Hi Ruud.' "Hi..." "New girlfriend?" "That's right..." "See you soon."

    Gullit himself was also at the event. He initially reacted sportily to the action, AT5 reports. 'You are a public figure so anything is possible and anything is allowed. I don't have that many problems with it," Gullit said. But at the end of the afternoon he reported on his Twitter account that on reflection he is not happy with this action.
    https://www.parool.nl/sport/hoofd-g...rs~ba870f44/?referrer=https://www.google.com/

    Familiar to see the 'reflection' and 'on second thoughts' rather than the first impulses and improvisation. Maybe that's also sometimes the 'problem' when he is a pundit and expert on television (which is influential; Gullit says it so Van Gaal has to respond etc.)

    Gullit himself said to the same AT5 in 2012 that unlike a number of other famous footballers and athletes, from his own time as well, there aren't extramarital kids and DNA tests in play. "Something for the believers of every story to chew on. Ruud on the hunt for thirty years but somehow never a lost child somewhere, and a demand for a DNA test. I am lot more normal, in behavior and faults, than many people think."
     
  24. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Nice find! Yes, I will see if there are any full Haarlem games. It is not impossible they exist. Somewhere in Hilversum maybe. Because the video archives are better here than in most other countries.

    There are full games around that have never been broadcast in full (only 30 minutes highlights or so). The full tape exists.

    There are though also infamous examples of classic television (mid and early 60s) that has been lost forever. This below has been regarded as a classic but was deleted in 1969 and 1970. Only small segments exist.
    https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ja_zuster,_nee_zuster

    But for late 70s and early 80s it is maybe better. Football had by then surely a strong place in public conversation (more so than early 60s, when it was arguably not the most popular sport).
     
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  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    yes ....
    I know this... I'm Dutch just kidding at the moment hahaha... but there are some videotape games for sale.. But I really don't recommend buying them on the internet


    It's easier to go to the HFC Haarlem club.... Feyenoord... PSv is asking where to find the entire matches.. 80's ! well good luck hahahaha in Netherlands .
     
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