The thread for Ruud Gullit

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  1. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I found the La Stampa ratings on Krokko's site for 1993/94 now indeed (via on old post I made on Big Soccer rather than using an internet search this time):
    Football Ratings: Memory Lane: Serie A 1993/94. (football-ratings.blogspot.com)
    6,91 Gullit (Sampdoria)
    6,58 Tacconi (Genoa)
    6,46 Peruzzi (Juventus)
    6,44 Ferrara (Napoli), Fusi (Torino)
    6,43 Marchegiani (Lazio), Seno (Foggia)
    6,42 Thern (Napoli)
    6,40 Turci (Cremonese), Conte (Juventus)

    Referees
    6,53 Pairetto
    6,33 Collina
    6,31 Rodomonti
     
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  2. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This was Gazzetta yes (part-owned by Agnelli and FIAT)
    https://m.calciomio.fr/totti-meille...n-les-notes-de-la-gazzetta-dello-sport_217342

    I had already posted the highest DBScalcio ratings of the time.

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    "DBScalcio shows Gullit with a 6.917 rating at DBScalcio. That is a margin of 0.272 to #2 in the database (F. Baresi) for 1993-94.

    Take it with a *huge* pinch of salt, but this are the other highly rated players between 1980 (opening borders) and 2000 (basically the end of the golden period). Krokko also said a few times something about rating inflation around the mid-1980s.

    6.75 or higher in DBScalcio (1980 - 2000)

    Krol 1980-81 (Napoli) - 6.931
    Gullit 1993-94 (Sampdoria) - 6.917
    Krol 1981-82 (Napoli) - 6.907
    Maradona 1984-85 (Napoli) - 6.900
    Causio 1981-82 (Udinese) - 6.846
    Mancini 1990-91 (Sampdoria) - 6.845
    Thuram 1996-97 (Parma) - 6.838
    Zico 1983-84 (Udinese) - 6.833
    Vieri 1998-99 (Lazio) - 6.833
    Weah 1995-96 (AC Milan) 6.808
    Brehme 1988-89 (Internazionale) - 6.790
    L. Junior 1984-85 (Torino) - 6.788
    Briegel 1984-85 (Hellas Verona) - 6.778
    Gullit 1987-88 (AC Milan) - 6.759
    .........
    Maradona 1987-88 (Napoli) - 6.607

    Gullit's margin in 1993-94 (0.272) is higher as the one of Krol in 1980-81 (0.211)"


    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/the-thread-for-ruud-gullit.2130952/page-16#post-42471110

    1994-95 looks a fair bit underappreciated to me, so far, just as an individual.
     
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  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ............
     
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ..........
     
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  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ....
    Professional football's main objective is to always put the ball into the net. as simple as that !


    Defenders..
    Tackles Won
    Def Covers
    Interceptions
    Duels Won
    Headers Won
    Clearances
    Yellow Cards
    Red Cards
    Positioning
    Concentration for 96 minutes
    Composure
    Anticipating
    Decisions
    Stronger personality
    Leadership
    a winning mentality
    etc...

    midfielders
    Assists
    Pre-Assists
    Goals
    Passing accuracy
    Vertical Passing skills
    Diagonal Passing skills
    Vision
    Shots on Target Ratio %
    Yellow Cards
    Red Cards
    Passing Skills
    Anticipating
    Concentration
    Construct playmaking moment
    Off the ball movements
    Decisions
    Composure
    Behavior in Big matches

    etc....

    Attackers

    Goals
    Assists
    Pre-assists..
    Shots on Target ratio % accuracy

    etc...


    well there are..total Footballers..

    they are great defending... setting up the game.. " playmaking players "
    and attacking at the same time always .


    Pelé...Cruyff...Franz Beckenbauer..
    Di Stefano...Ruud Gullit.... Lothar Matthaus ...




    Professional football is not the dribble completed ...that is the main objective or . like Skateboarding..and Bike...Xgame s.. Espn


    Where the skateboarder... went out doing maneuvers of a higher degree of difficulty... so he added points. ++++++++++ points ..


    by the way.. or circuit..there in the championship ...

    the greater the degree of difficulty of the maneuver in question, it will be worth many more points..

    In professional football this is not the main objective

    Like a Player enters the Field to give or execute dribbles with a greater degree of difficulty" with higher technique and accuracy " and then earns points for this..always

    Honestly, usually it don't wins anything.

    dribbles completed with Shots Off the Target are worthless in professional football .



    FreeStyle Football championship ... is made to Dribbles ...there


    But Professional Football ... not not not or never never never .. was the main Target ....of the game . !
    ......
     
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




















    I took this video ... from the channel ... Zinedine Zidane videos .!






    PuckVanHeel ....



    this is the perfect video ... that i'm trying to show you always .




    Firstly ..:


    Zidane had a terrible performance against Republic Czech ..Republic ... in 2003 ...





    Most people confusing such a player who has a lot of pure talent..

    #Ball control skills
    #First Touch Skills
    #Dribbling Skills.
    #Technically brilliant
    #Pure or Born Talent
    #Magician things ..
    #Fantasy Skills




    ..
    As these players have a certain poetic, artistic, technical license " technical gestures License."

    How dare you analyze me by real numbers always ..
    As they cannot or could never be compared by the normal and fair metrics of Professional Football..

    As if these players...were very consistent and really effective performers always.

    that is a Lie for sure .. Of course ... generally ...( Zinedine Zidane ..Jay Jay Okocha.. Ronaldinho ..Djalminha ...Clarence Seedorf ....Beckham ... Berbatov ...Bergkamp ...Baggio...Neymar Jr...Mahrez... etc .. only to take the them average in general ...
    the Sand Castle of Illusion fell without any foundation)
    )


    ...


    But ... for sure ...



    Dennis Bergkamp ...Ruud Gullit... and Marco van Basten



    They had all the strengths and qualities to be much better..than Zidane...easily ...


    Zidane is super deified.

    by First touch skills .... dribbling skills ... ball control skills ... Elegance Technique
    by fools on the Internet
    Highlights only...


    Zidane has never been a really consistent, effective and high-performing performer
     
  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  11. Krokko

    Krokko Member

    Nov 16, 2011
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    AIK Solna
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    Sweden
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  12. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
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    AC Milan
    Only on page 12. Lol hard to keep up
     
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  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Please ... going there ... with calm.. !.. on the road ... you will get it ..as soon as possible ... hahahaha !
     
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  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024











    ...... Is Interesting .. the mentality Of Pelé ...that he is speaking there ...


    Pelé speaking there..in the documentary..

    Despite having scored more than 1000 goals in my career..


    It's always a joy to do it again... a new goal... a new goal ... a new goal ...a new goal ..


    There would be no Football without the Goal

    in any sport. you have the maximum achievement


    In Football, the ultimate achievement is the goal..


    Pelé's Mind speaking ..with himself ....:

    Theoretically..The easiest way to reach the goal is to go straight through the middle, attacking zone 14 aggressively. with very very Aggression ...

    vertically is much easier than doing zig zag ..."

    If you have two players
    extremely quicker and Foresight.. Premonition..Intuition's Mind

    You attack by doing Plays one-twos..and narrowing the game..on the middle ... no fears at all ..

    and Attacking zone 14 or half-moon in brazilian portuguese .. a expression in Football from here .. in Brazil...


    ..and having ..an absurd Technique " ambi-dextrous feet "..then it is easier to attack through the middle ..and narrow ..in a matter of Milli-Seconds the move to make is decided on my mind ...


    Examples this...

    type

    Pelé and Coutinho ..
    Pelé and Pagão ....

    I don't know why... the teams... nowadays are afraid of attacking zone 14... playing in midfield. and narrow..


    They are playing now on the wings..and widen the field a lot..

    They say it's very difficult to play through the middle and narrow.




    Here is Wiliam Phil Gracek talking to you .. PuckVanHeel ..

    I got the feeling that Pelé is talking about the 1974 Dutch team.. the mentality ..of the dutch Football ... or German Football ...
     
  15. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I'm enjoying it when i have time.
    Never got to see gullit or the Dutchman live but it takes me back to that era. All of the translated press clippings
     
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  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
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  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This was Gullit his player card of 1974

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    As already mentioned, he was between 1966 and 1975 playing and training next to the old Ajax stadium and training fields. This stadium no longer exists (demolished in 1996). Some of the football fields still do.

    The European Cup games however took place in a different stadium, that has been brought back to the old and classic state. It is a national monument (and was placed on this list to save it from the scrapheap). It is not the same place as when Gullit was a junior and senior footballer, or played his games there.

    https://sportgeschiedenis.nl/olympi...erd-het-olympisch-stadion-gered-van-de-sloop/
     
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  18. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    I'll start with the second half of 1994-95 now. I see now a few reports appearing about Italy becoming less desirable. Bryan Roy was kind of the first signal in this process.

    It is possible to see that in above video too (1992-2024). There is a sharp drop around 1995 and then more so after 2000. This is not really the case for Premier League (2nd behind France for this period), Bundesliga (2nd behind Brazil) and also La Liga (3rd European country behind France and Portugal).
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ...
    Can you find the match between PSV 7 x 3 Den Haag...in May 1987... ????
     
  20. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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  21. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The presenter asks Tele Santana who would he choose at 25 years old for his team between Baresi, Van Basten or Romário. Tele Santana chose Van Basten
     
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  22. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    #699 PuckVanHeel, Sep 21, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2024
    Some good/interesting remarks by Gullit here (03/01/1995). He didn't like the Champions League :thumbsup: He maybe could see where that would lead to.

    Gullit turns against the new commercialism in football

    Ruud Gullit finds it annoying that money has taken over football. "The financial aspect is destroying everything [of the sporting side]," he said in an interview with the Italian sports daily La Gazzetta dello Sport.

    ROME Gullit takes stock of the past year. He experienced a 'turbulent' 1994, with beautiful things such as the Sampdoria cup victory, his wedding and his meeting with Nelson Mandela. The ugliest of 1994? "The consequences of my cancellation for the national selection."

    According to Gullit, the transformation of football into a modern business goes back to the 1984 Olympic Games in Los Angeles. "They provided everyone with a model [template] for how big profits could be made from the sport. FIFA and UEFA also understood this at the time. The latest step in that direction has been the creation of the Champions League."

    He thinks it is a shame that defeats or early eliminations are only discussed in financial terms. What creates the biggest profits. "Football is business. Is that the footballers fault? But what should we do? We only play the leading role on the field. Nobody asked me anything." As an example, Gullit mentions his move to AC Milan in 1987. "When I came to Italy, they said in the Netherlands that I was the best-paid player in my country. But I didn't ask anything. Berlusconi (I don't want to judge him for this) and Philips had reached an agreement and then told me: "Gullit, the matter is settled." Now, seven years later, many have surpassed me and I am no longer the most expensive player in the Netherlands." Gullit wants to continue to believe in a better future, because he proclaims himself an inveterate dreamer and optimist. 'My dream is that 1995 may pass for all without envy or malice.'

    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ABCDDD:010870729:mpeg21:p015
    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ABCDDD:010842166:mpeg21:a0208

    That last comment is surely a reference to the nearby war in nearby Yugoslavia (Rwanda?).

    There was once a time where we were consistently the magnets for European wars.... (another beef of me is how the leading historians of our country are English, from S. Schama to J. Israel - I don't like that for one bit). At times all the neighbors simultaneously attacked us. Peace is oh so vulnerable, and not an automatic given, especially with certain neighbors around...



    As an aside, you can argue that many of the best/greatest players in history of their country were active in Gullit his time. Valderrama, Hagi, Stoichkov, Laudrup, also overlapping slightly with Litmanen (who is 7 years younger, yes). And so on.
     
  23. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Thanks for confirming what I thought to hear
     

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