The thread for Ruud Gullit

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  1. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #576 PuckVanHeel, Sep 5, 2024
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    And before that he personally injured Rijsbergen, which also Sofascore detects on their site. They detect he was injured after that move. This has no relationship to this thread though.

    Us being the dirtiest team in World Cup history is laughable and a joke (definitely not the ones Gullit played in! cf. Argentina in 1990).

    Maybe the most often whistled against (while 20% of the sanctioned Argentina fouls in the '78 final wasn’t punished with a free kick, shows and proves sofascore), but that only shows the effect of refereeing politics and how that plays out. 2000 vs Italy: we were sanctioned with more fouls than the Italians by Markus Merk. Clownesque. 1978 final: the same. By the Italian Gonella (while 60-70% of Argentina has Italian ancestry...). They vetoed the Israeli referee.

    Just a laughable suggestion that we are the dirtiest team in history. No one with a sane mind believes this (though with modern AI technology and media censorship a lot is possible).

    We are one of the largest investors in Argentina by the way; a good place to extract resources from, buying cheap, seeing with a smile what inflation and the exchange rate does, and watching it from our sofa. Third (ultimate) investor behind USA and our Spanish 'friends'. :thumbsup: Love it. Main risk is the instability and the ingrained dishonesty.

    https://santandertrade.com/en/portal/establish-overseas/argentina/foreign-investment
     
  2. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan



    The godfather Pellegatti

    Of course Gullit chosen! Hehe
     
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  3. Praasen

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    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    And gullit has said several times that to him maradona is the greatest ever,ahead of pele,cruyff and others. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    oui .. cest vrai mon ami !


    yes .. i saw this as well !
     
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    in the journal there ...1981-82


    i don't understood ... the parts in dutch language clearly ....about the goal there against Utrecht ..1981-82



    PuckVanHeel How can you describe.. this Goal ... against Utrecht in english language ????



    he .came from 50 meters .dribbling and running by the way ??
     
  6. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    #581 PuckVanHeel, Sep 5, 2024
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    (see for ex. the part after 8:00)

    This video has a story. I think @Wiliam Felipe Gracek liked that video wasn't it?

    For a part it was benevolence and a form of development aid (I think that's genuine), for a part braggadocio (Gullit was truly allergic to this; one May 1994 VI had Blind, Van Gaal and Van Praag posing with the text "we are Ajax, we are the best" - Gullit his dad referred to this), for a part also outside pressure and suspicion.

    There was pressure and blackmailing from the Milans and Real Madrids to give away their 'secrets'. The same sort of pressure that led to the Champions League and group stage format in the first place. Ajax had to open their house.

    This below is from later (around the 2003 last second quarter final exit) but this is something Gullit was and still is allergic for.

    I'd like to know more about what happened between 1966 and 1975 when he literally played his football next to the De Meer stadium (and the 'Voorland' youth scheme). Ajax thought at one point he was not good enough, that is right. So to say, he could smell Cruijff, Michels and Van Gaal (who was Cruijff his back-up in the 2nd team) their breath there. What happened?



    Gullit said something about this too ("when a coach screams like this to me as a drill instructor, I am out"):


    ‐------------------------------

    No Orange near the top [NRC]

    Guus van Holland, 27 December 1994

    Dreaming of beautiful Dutch footballers, enjoying the euphoria that Dutch trainers get when they talk about beautiful Dutch footballers and beautiful Dutch football, wallowing in chauvinism, I wake up with a start.

    I thought that the Netherlands was the epicentre of the football world, that we Dutch invented football, that we determine how football should be played. Our 'national ambassador' Ruud Gullit is back at Sampdoria and still scoring and doing his stuff as usual. Then I am shocked when I see the election results of the European footballer of the year and the world's best footballer of the year.

    France Football, the French monthly magazine, asked 49 football journalists from 49 different countries to rank the best footballers in Europe. The winner of the Ballon d'Or was the Bulgarian Stoichkov with 210 points, second was the Italian Baggio with 136, third the Italian Maldini with 109 and 28th and last the German Möller with one point. In between not a single Dutchman, not a single point, but the Finn Litmanen of Ajax with twelve points as eighth.

    World Soccer, the English monthly magazine published worldwide, asked its readers to send in the name of the best team, the best coach and the best footballer in the world. The winner among the footballers was the Italian Maldini with 27.36 percent of the votes, second with 23.45 the Italian Baggio, followed by Romario, Hagi, Stoichkov, Baresi, Cantona, Klinsmann, Brolin and Batistuta. Not a single Dutchman in the top ten.

    The best team in the world was AC Milan with 33.15 percent, second was Brazil with 19.94, third Manchester United with 8.35 and then Italy, Juventus, Bulgaria, Romania, Barcelona, Parma and Newcastle United. Not a single Dutch team in the top ten.

    The best coach was the Brazilian national coach Parreira with 16.98 percent, followed by the Milan coach Capello with 13.34 and the Scot Ferguson of Manchester United with 12.12, followed by Sacchi, Keegan, Iordanescu, Penev, Charlton, Svensson and Cruijff. Johan Cruijff, certainly a brilliant coach at Barcelona who recently showed Ferguson all corners of the field in the group stage, is tenth.

    Why did I dream of beautiful Dutch footballers? Why did I enjoy the euphoria in which Dutch coaches ignite when they talked about the beautiful Dutch football? Why did I wallow in chauvinism? That stupid, disgustingly short-sighted chauvinism in me. My apologies for a year of stupidity.

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    Maldini said november/december: "we will destroy and demolish Ajax" (23 november 1994)

    https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=KBPERS01:003250020:mpeg21:a00162

    This did not happen (he lost the two next games vs Ajax as well - replacing the referee didn't work this time), but Maldini did 'destroy' them all in the 1994 and 1995 awards indeed... including 'destroying' Rijkaard sadly...
     
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  7. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The Brescia match was his last hurray for Milan (those fouls there could have broken his legs!), now comes the slow exit.



    Italian football turned upside down

    ROME, 17 OCT. Italian football was turned upside down yesterday. Almost all the top clubs lost to the province, including the glorious names of Juventus, Milan and Internazionale, as well as Parma, a relative newcomer to the top. AS Roma drew and are now the sole leaders.

    It was a revolutionary Sunday, when the young rebels overthrew the nobility of football, wrote the Gazzetta dello Sport this morning. The biggest surprise was Milan's 2-0 defeat away at Padova, a newcomer in Serie A who had not yet won a match. After dominating the league in recent years, Fabio Capello's team is now going through a dark period. Milan had not yet recovered from the 2-1 defeat against arch-rivals Inter on Wednesday in the battle for the Italian Cup (with a red card for Galli and a near-red for Maldini) and started chaotically.

    Halfway through the first half, Alexi Lalas, the 24-year-old American libero of Padova with a distinctive appearance, scored his first league goal in Italy. Offside, Capello complained afterwards. When Desailly was punished for the second time ten minutes later with a heavy yellow card and had to go to the dressing rooms, Milan, despite their superiority in play, no longer had the strength to make up the deficit.

    Ruud Gullit said he wasn't worried, but on Wednesday Milan will have to try to prove against AEK Athens that Lalas' goal doesn't mark the end of an era. Gullit his eyes and body language reveal disenchantment and regret.

    The Gazzetta notes that the great Milan of recent years has actually ceased to exist since the end of 1992, when Marco van Basten was injured, with the only exception of the 4-0 victory over Barcelona in the final of the European Cup.

    A small consolation was that Inter Milan also lost. At home, Bergkamp and his colleagues were humiliated 1-2 by Bari, who took the lead after just two minutes and repeatedly cut through the shaky Inter defence. The midfield with Jonk was powerless, and of Bergkamp, who was shown a yellow card, one could only say that he was the best Inter player.

    Inter Milan was the only losing top club that could not blame the referee. Foggia were given the first of the two goals against Juventus. After a shot by striker Bresciani, who was followed by national coach Sacchi, the linesman said the ball had completely crossed the line, but the TV images proved him wrong. Juventus were again completely unconvincing and Roberto Baggio was also dragged down by the mediocrity of his team.
    Parma returned without points, from Genoa. Zola put Parma ahead in the first half, but Sampdoria equalised fifteen minutes before the end with a penalty, and six minutes later put Parma behind with another penalty, now very doubtful.
    Aron Winter was one of the best players for Lazio yesterday with two goals, who had already wiped out Napoli 5-1 in the first half and then played out the match. Winter is practically always good for at least a six.

    In the evening, the joy of the Lazio supporters became even greater, because AS Roma gave away its lead twice against Torino and remained stuck at 2-2. Roma remains the unexpected leader in Serie A.
     
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  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    Johan Cruyff 1983-84 ... he was a player-manager-headcoach ....already on the field ...



    Ruud Gullit . ..


    I saw him " The Gullit " highly motivated playing alongside Johan Cruyff...

    His idol so far


    .....so Cruyff technical Teaching skills .... Gullit learned on this season already with his master of the Football

    called Johan Cruyff


    Cruyff ..teaching.... it on Bergkamp... Van Basten ..Rijkaard ...Koeman.. Laudrup ...Romário..

    Bakero .... Stoichkov ???
     
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  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Rijkaard Out ??
    Pirlo In ??



    i disagree totally from this !
     
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  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    I understood when he speaks that Gullit was a better player than Zidane at Average

    For Example

    Zinedine Zidane
    803 matches
    156 goals
    235 Assists ( Direct Assists and Indirect Assists too )


    0, 19 % goals ;;
    0, 29 % Assists


    Ruud Dil Gullit


    636 matches
    236 goals
    211 Assists ( Direct Assists and Indirect Assists too )


    0, 37 % Goals
    0, 33 % Assists




    Zidane was called the black cat ..... at Juventus Times..



    after to lose against Real Madrid in 1998 Final . !
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  12. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #587 PuckVanHeel, Sep 5, 2024
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    Ah, let's talk about something else now. Your lies and fake stats (the assists, penalties caused) are exposed so you start about something different.

    That's what Gullit has to say when he is invited by FIFA, Beinsport, ESPN and stuff. Then he needs to blabber about Maradona breaking his ankle by Goikoetxea and other out-of-context stuff like this (newsflash: Gullit, Platini and pals also broke their ankle - the difference is Goiko received a multi-month ban!)

    Otherwise he receives no gigs any more. He doesn't want to be ostracised by the mob. Of which you, a clear example of viveza, are a part. Social pressure and mob rule is a strong thing. Cancel culture is not something recent. Certainly not for the Hispanic masses adoring a cheating drug abusing gun slinger, a proven pedophile, a women and child beater.

    Gullit knows (instinctively) what he has to say to stay on-air. His compatriot Van der Vaart was less sensitive and is now banned by Sky et al (while appearing there previously). He didn't say the right things there.

    This was after Messi penaltied his way to the World Cup, but before Pelé passed away:


    At home Gullit is safe. The number three country in the world in press freedom (Argentina is 72th). He can speak in his own language. There he says: "I am sorry, but three World Cups is really quite a lot". It is Pele over Messi and Maradona.

    Before we forget (2018), Ronaldo over Messi there:



    That was again for the 'foreigners' (about which you are not allowed to say that they might bring a violent set of mores to our country and football, although intimidation still only affects 0.02% of the games).

    At home he is safe to say 'the truth', his truth. He isn't safe when on stage at 'FIFA The Best', as a co-host.

    That was a German referee, with Germany already in the final. The hosts. Brazil and 'Holland' inflicted damage, knocks and injuries to each other. Useful for the team already in the final. The team that 100% certainly eavesdropping our team (the ministry responsible for security was also responsible for the sports & drugs programme).

    Havelange knew about this and talked about it years later. The FIFA president and boss of the referee committee? An English and German duo overseeing the officiating. It was the English-Germany administrators partnership again. The 'Concert of Europe' running the show.

    We have just become the first Euro/WC semi-finalist in history without Ballon d'Or nominations. Congratulations. Korea 2002, Wales 2016 and the whole lot all had them. Point again proven.

    The difference with 1994 and 1995 is though not huge... all those minutes played in top competitions or the CL goals record since 1992 (6th overall thus far) count for nothing.
     
  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    Didn't you show an overview with the stat of Gullit winning almost all matches against Maradona, and generally performing better as well in his career?

    Thank you. (And no, personally I don't think Gullit was better than Zidane - to cover also that).
     
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  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes ..... for sure .... Gullit 3 wins ... 1 draw against Maradona the duels between them

    i spoke there ... in portuguese language ...



    Maradona's Biggest Football Dream

    was to beat Gullit at least one game and once , he certainly didn't achieve this

    The guy in the video made a frame putting 3 x 1 by Diego !


    hahahaha !!


    that's crazy for me


    Gullit always won on Gullit ... no mercy !
     
  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    for me Gullit was much better than Zidane easily ..

    but the only one thing that secures Zidane ahead Of Gullit...

    are World Cups .. 1998 and 2006

    Out this ... !
    honestly i don't see nothing to secure Zidane ahead of Gullit !


    i saw All the whole matches of Zidane ...Bordeaux ..Juventus ...Real Madrid

    France National Team Side ..


    like Michel Platini... i watch these games ... Ina.Fr ...
     
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  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    on Maradona ... not Gullit .. not himself !!
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ............
    @seraqueeusourealmenteobode31
    há 1 hora
    yes Gullit won always on Maradona !
     
  18. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Pirlo had a longer run, also second life to his career. Obviously serie a watered down. Also world cup winner.
    I do love Rijkaard. Perhaps Pellegatti a little biased against frank because he's a huge baresi supporter. Rumor that Rijkaard real father of one of Francos children. Lol
     
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  20. Praasen

    Praasen Member

    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    Gullit's milan was one of the greatest club teams of all time and so he beat napoli,a good side and in no way a legendary one by any stretch of imagination.milan was made of gullit himself, van basten,rijcard,ancelloti,baresi, maldini among others.football is not boxing or tennis that gullit beat maradona and anybody with a stable mind understands that with ease,,,even a child would.
     
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  21. Praasen

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    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    My assist stats for maradona is correct,if it is so painful for you please prove otherwise or keep your mouth shut.i've never heard of someone with a normal mind getting frightened to the degree of lying about even merely his favourite player name.hilarious.gullit said the same thing here in india that maradona is the best ahead of messi.or did he state that on gunpoint?!maybe the reporter threatened to beat him up with a stick.or he went to interview ruud with police force.silly.
     
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  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes .... the own Gullit says .. that Diego Armando Maradona .. was better than himself ...

    so many many times . !
     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    So sorry ... by PuckVanHeel ...'s behaviour ...


    he is a dutch person ... i'm seeing that at the moment ... hahahaha


    please.. calm down ... don't worry be happy always ... like Ajax's songs !
     
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


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