The things we hear is back - 2021 edition

Discussion in 'Referee' started by RefIADad, Jan 17, 2021.

  1. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Unlike soccer, in pointy ball, you kick off to the other team. So the team that receives the kick is the one that really gets the ball. And if you elect to kick off in the first half, the other team gets to choose whether to kick off or receive in the second half--so they start with the ball both halves. (But there is also a choice for the coin-flip winner to "defer," which means they get to choose for the second half instead of the first.)
     
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  2. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    Because you are giving possession to your opponent. Yes, they could try an onside kick (where the kicking team recovers the ball). But it's rare and difficult - usually reserved for desperate situations.

    Now, if someone could please explain what "Defer" means ...

    Edit: NM, socal explained it - I should read the whole thread before typing my post.
     
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  3. Barciur

    Barciur Member

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Thank you guys. That is weird! You learn something new every day!
     
  4. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    In our next edition: The Infield Fly Rule
     
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  5. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    I think we should talk about drop-kicked extra points.
     
  6. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Before they changed the extra-points rules a few years back, it was possible to line up as if going for 2, and then, if the play was not going well. dropkick for 1. I miss that weirdness.
     
  7. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    To say nothing of what actually constitutes a catch. How many football movements can dance on the head of a pin?
     
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  8. davidjd

    davidjd Member

    Derby Rams; SJ Earthquakes
    Jun 30, 2000
    Wilmington, NC (strong California ties)
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's at least stick with real sports as opposed to 'chess where the players can spit and scratch' for 162 meet ups a year.
     
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  9. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    The infield fly rule is actually fairly easy. Try batting out of order for extreme levels of confusion.

    i am a baseball umpire, and I keep the batting out of order procedure in my notebook in my pocket every game. It has a lot to do with proper and improper batters and WHEN it occurs and WHO notices.
     
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  10. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please don't :D . Trying to explain that one to someone who doesn't understand baseball is a blooming nightmare!
     
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  11. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Hey -- the World Chess Championship starts tomorrow!
     
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  12. voiceoflg

    voiceoflg Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    Or free kick after fair catch.
     
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  13. davidjd

    davidjd Member

    Derby Rams; SJ Earthquakes
    Jun 30, 2000
    Wilmington, NC (strong California ties)
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #788 davidjd, Nov 23, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2021
    Technically, after a touchdown, the team who did not score gets the option of who gets the ball next.

    And circling back the conversation, if a team does not present captains before the game at the appropriate time, then they automatically forfeit the coin toss.
     
  14. Pelican86

    Pelican86 Member

    United States
    Jun 13, 2019
    Just once in my life I want to see a successful fair catch kick.

    Is this still true in any of the American rules? I know there used to be (still is?) something like that in the CFL, but I’d never heard of that south of the border.
     
  15. davidjd

    davidjd Member

    Derby Rams; SJ Earthquakes
    Jun 30, 2000
    Wilmington, NC (strong California ties)
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd heard about it so looked it up. It's apparently still on the books. Going way back, captains used to meet up quickly to discuss what the intention was. My guess is that in the early game 100 years ago teams didn't punt as much or as well so it was an advantage to kick off and pin the other team on their own side. Obviously not really a thing anymore.
     
  16. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Personally, if I were involved in gridiron football, I would want to have the first possession of ball in the second half. That way, you could theoretically score on the last possession of the first half and then get the ball back immediately for another scoring drive to begin the second half.

    That’s what I do on the Madden football video game anyway.
     
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  17. soccerdad72

    soccerdad72 Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Apr 5, 2021
    That's why deferring is probably done 80% of the time these days (if not more). Every now and then you'll see a team decide to take the ball in the first half, I assume to set the tone for the game (e.g. hoping to score early).
     
  18. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    I've seen it happen at the high school level.

    And last Friday, there was a high school playoff game with two touchdowns in the last 30 seconds of the first half.
     
  19. voiceoflg

    voiceoflg Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    To be fair, before I saw this video, I never heard of this and would have been just as confused as these guys were. I just finished my 19th season doing radio play by play for high school football. Now that I am prepared to call it correctly, it has yet to happen.

     
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  20. Mi3ke

    Mi3ke Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    New Mexico
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would rather see a discussion about a reverse diagonal.

    Cheers, Mi3ke
     
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  21. SCV-Ref

    SCV-Ref Member

    Spurs
    Australia
    Feb 22, 2018
    I learned about the Perfect Game in baseball. No hits, no walks no nothing...at least on one side. So therefore if both teams were having an equally "Perfect Game" then a perfect perfect game is one where nothing happens. I also learned Baseball cannot end in a tie, so I guess the ultimate perfect game is one where nothing happens and it goes on forever.

    To be fair...I've seen 12u KFTM that seem to go forever.
     
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  22. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    And then there's the "immaculate inning," in which a pitcher throws only nine pitches, striking out all three batters.
     
  23. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    There's an episode of the great show Sports Night in which they try to figure out whether taking 10 wickets in cricket is a good thing.
     
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  24. elonpuckhog

    elonpuckhog Member

    Dec 29, 2009
    What a great show that was. Now that I watch cricket, I can say this is a good thing
     
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  25. elonpuckhog

    elonpuckhog Member

    Dec 29, 2009
    I have a vague recollection of unintentionally running a reverse one time when my ARs lined up wrong and I didn't catch it. Needless to say I was very out of position most of the first half. I'd look for my AR and they would be right behind me ...:(
     
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