The search for top class English/British managers.

Discussion in 'England' started by YankBastard, Dec 17, 2014.

  1. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    One of my big worries with English coaches now is the self fulfilling prophecy effect.

    I fear that because there have now been so many big, high profile failures, their brand is permanently tarnished and they are up against it the minute they walk through the door.

    As a Boro fan, I think it’s interesting how when things were going well for us under Hellberg, we were getting rave reviews from tacticos and analysts from much further afield than the North East, even though we reached a higher level during our peak under Carrick, and the football was every bit as good if not better.

    I also think it’s interesting seeing the doors that opened for Kompany as a young but non-English coach who plays an attractive brand of football.

    Don't get me wrong, Kompany has been brilliant at Bayern and full credit to him for making the most of the opportunity. I genuinely believe however that Carrick could’ve easily replicated the job he did at Burnley, but would he have then been given the same opportunity to coach a European superpower off the back of it?
     
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  2. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I think there's just a genuine lack of talent. We had stories about the education not being great not long after St. George's was up and running. How many English coaches learn Spanish or German to look at other material? Probably not many.
     
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  3. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Another thing is footballers even at a mid level earn so much money that they don't need the hassle of going into coaching after they finished playing anymore.
     
  4. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
    how has nobody brought up cost yet either?

    UEFA Pro Licence = 18 months at a cost of 13.5K through The FA

    if we're looking at recent success stories, Brian Barry-Murphy was a 2021 grad, Skubala 2024. only the latter, of those two, is English though.

    here's the 2024 list of graduates from SGP. quite the variety pack, if you will. not exclusively English either.

    Graduates: Michael Skubala (Head Coach, Lincoln City), Marink Reedijk (Head Coach, Anderlecht Futures), Carl Plunkett (former Head of Coaching, Crystal Palace), Bernardo Cueva (Set Piece Coach, Chelsea), Will Antwi (England U19s Head Coach), Pete Wild (former Barrow manager), Leighton Baines (U18s Lead, Everton), Mark Jackson (Head Coach, Central Coast Mariners). Alan Sheehan (Assistant, Swansea City), Louise Newstead (Head of Coach Development, PFA), Kalam Mooniaruck (Head of Coach Development, West Ham), Jody Cauldwell (Head of Coaching and Player Development, Nottingham Forest), Ben Wilkinson (U18s Head Coach, Manchester City), Matt Bloomfield (Manager, Wycombe Wanderers), Vicky Jepson (Assistant, Tottenham Women), Micah Hyde (Senior Professional Development Phase Coach, QPR), Mehmet Ali (U21s Head Coach, Arsenal), Hassan Sulaiman (U18s Head Coach, Chelsea), Matt Beard (Manager, Liverpool Women), Mike Scott (Head of Coaching, Wolves).
     
  5. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Michael Carrick had talks with Sir Jim Ratcliffe at Carrington on Monday but remains in the dark about whether he will be given the permanent role at Manchester United or not. United are keen to wait until Champions League football is secured - Daily Mail

    Sir Jim Ratcliffe is said to be hesitant to give Michael Carrick the permanent managerial role at Old Trafford with the Manchester United chief expected to have a pivotal role in the decision - The Athletic
     
  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Scott Parker's future as Burnley manager is in the balance following the club's Premier League relegation and former Rangers and Aston Vila manager Steven Gerrard, 45, could be in contention to replace the 45-year-old. (Talksport) , external

    Gerrard, who left Saudi Arabia's Al-Ettifaq by mutual constent after 18 months in charge in 2025, is also being targeted by Championship side Bristol City. (Independent), external
     
  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #933 Fireburn47, Apr 30, 2026
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    Scott Parker has resigned from Burnley.

    Ex-England boss Steve McClaren is set for talks with recently-relegated Rotherham about becoming their new manager - The Sun

    Crystal Palace have drawn up a shortlist of six managers to replace Oliver Glasner at the end of the season, with both Coventry boss Frank Lampard and Ipswich's Kieran McKenna under consideration. (Independent), external

    Crystal Palace are eyeing Coverntry City's Frank Lampard as a potential replacement for Oliver Glasner. Fulham would also be interested in Lampard's services should Marco Silva leave Craven Cottage - The Independent

     
  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

    Michael Carrick
    has emerged as the favourite for the permanent Manchester United job after impressing the club's hierarchy during his time in charge on an interim basis - The Times.

    Andoni Iraola has emerged as the strongest candidate to rival Michael Carrick for the job as Manchester United's next permanent head coach - The Telegraph.
     
  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021


     
  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Eddie Howe staying at Newcastle.
     
  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Bet Scott Parker ends up at West Ham next season.
     
  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Andy Carroll's first taste of management has been brought to an abrupt end - after Dagenham & Redbridge named Lee Allinson as their new boss.
     
  15. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Did anyone actually think Andy Carroll was the next top class English manger, coaching Dagenham in the 6th Tier?

    Or should we just rename this thread, random English manager just got sacked.
     
  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Michael Carrick is expected to be offered the chance to continue as Manchester United's head coach after qualifying for the Champions League - The Guardian

    Michael Carrick is edging closer to becoming the permanent manager of Manchester United - talkSPORT
     
  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Crystal Palace have identified Kieran McKenna, Frank Lampard, Sean Dyche and Thomas Frank as potential alternatives if they can't convince Andoni Iraola to join the club - Daily Mail

    Palace are choosing to focus on hiring Frank Lampard with Fulham also interested in the Coventry boss - The Sun
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Ipswich Town are drawing up a list of candidates in case manager Kieran McKenna is offered another Premier League job this summer. (Sun), external
     
  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #945 Fireburn47, May 15, 2026
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    Michael Carrick's representatives have held talks at Carrington as he closes in on becoming Manchester United's permanent head coach - The Sun
     
  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
  22. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Calum McFarlane with a chance to be the first English manager to win the FA Cup today since Harry Redknapp in 2008.
     
  23. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Also only the third in the last 35 years! Joe Royle is 1996 is the only other, going back to 1991!

    In the same time period there's been 5 different Italian managers, 4 Dutch, 4 Spanish, 3 Scottish.
     
  24. TRS-T

    TRS-T Member

    Aug 21, 2014
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    The FA are to blame for using foreign managers to manage England. If you look at when they appointed Sven-Goran Eriksson as the first ever foreign England manager, this was the make-up of the Premier League managers:

    11 - English
    5 - Scottish
    2 - French
    1 - Irish
    1 - Italian

    If our own FA would rather use foreign managers than English managers, then the foreign-owned clubs will have no reason to believe in and give a chance to English managers.
     
  25. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    We've been over this before but you have the causality wrong here. Yes, there were 11 English managers...but the highest ranked English manager the season prior to Eriksson coming in was John Gregory at 6th. There had only been one English manager to finish top 4 in the prior 3 seasons (Roy Evans). There was already a huge talent issue. Look at the list of English managers who careers started in the 80s and 90s and it is frankly embarrassing. Harry Redknapp is probably the best English manager to start their career in that 20 year period, its hard to even make a list of top 5 managers from that period because its so bad.

    All that to say Eriksson was a response to an issue not the cause of it.
     
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