The search for top class English/British managers.

Discussion in 'England' started by YankBastard, Dec 17, 2014.

  1. sharmichael

    sharmichael Member

    England
    Jun 13, 2023
    It's interesting how many ostensibly promising upstarts just seem to crash and burn in the Football League. Ramsay (who I know is Welsh) was a disaster at West Brom, his predecessor Mason wasn't great either. Will Still, despite experience in Ligue 1, had a horrible spell at a recently relegated team. Cleverley couldn't make a fist of it at Watford and doesn't seem to have Plymouth where they should be, and the same can probably be said of Wilshere and Luton.

    Ramsay and Still are perhaps different from the others in that they had head coach experience elsewhere, but it makes you wonder what the process of these people (Mason, Cleverley, Wilshere, and before them Woodgate, Monk and... Joey Barton(!), among others) getting opportunities at this level really looks like. Why are they favoured over myriad academy-level coaches with more training ground/dressing room experience?
     
  2. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    I think Cleverley should be taken out of this list. Ask Watford fans about his sacking, also turned the tide at Plymouth who have been a mess since Schumacher's gone years ago.
     
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  3. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Former manager and player Glenn Hoddle has offered to ensure Tottenham avoid relegation should interim boss Igor Tudor be sacked after losing his opening three games. (Mail)
     
  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Manchester United will not rush into appointing a permanent manager despite interim boss Michael Carrick advancing his case. (The Athletic - subscription required)

    Former Tottenham midfielder Ryan Mason is a leading candidate to replace Igor Tudor as interim boss at Spurs. (Football Insider)
     
  5. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
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  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    What’s the view of him in Sweden? Is this being seen as a good thing. With the players Sweden have they really should be aiming to make Euro 2028.
     
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  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Ex-Everton and Burnley manager Sean Dyche is being considered as a replacement for Igor Tudor as Tottenham interim boss. (Independent), external

    But Dyche would be reluctant to take the job and would want a commitment beyond the end of the season, with ex-Tottenham players Robbie Keane and Ryan Mason potential options. (Talksport)
     
  8. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    Hilarious how I’m seeing the anti-England brigade already moan “why is Rosenior not getting the same treatment as Amorim”

    1. Rosenior was literally criticised and mocked before even getting the job and accused of being a company man. Whereas Amorim arrived with a positive perception around him.

    2. Rosenior has been consistently belittled and mocked in his time in the job. See the whole “man age” saga and the constant LinkedIn Liam jibes.

    3. Rosenior’s initial results have still been far better than Amorim’s were despite the last fortnight.

    In his first 18 games, he has won 12, drawn two and lost six. Five of those have been to two teams who could easily make up the CL final this season and are amongst the top three teams in Europe.

    Amorim only took 11 games to lose six by comparison, and only won eight of his first 18. Four of those were in the EL and one was to Southampton who were one of the worst teams in PL history.

    It also took him four months to win 12 games compared to the two it has taken Rosenior.


    United fans and other Amorim apologists need to realise that there was no agenda against him. If anything, he ticked all the boxes the media like in terms of managers and having a face that fits.

    He was dragged over the coals because he was absolutely abysmal for a club in any context, let alone one the size and prestige of United.
     
  9. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
     
  10. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    :ninja: Might be able to concede the same amount if he is lucky.
     
  11. sharmichael

    sharmichael Member

    England
    Jun 13, 2023
    United's international fans really adore Amorim even now. It's an interesting case study of style versus substance, because the guy was absolutely horrible outside of being quite good in press conferences.
     
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  12. GermanBlade

    GermanBlade Member

    Sheffield United
    Mar 17, 2025
    Rosenior out? Wasn´t a fan of him going to Chelsea in the first place and he´s been atrocious in regards to their academy so far, even worse than Maresca.
     
  13. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    Surely the PE teacher is getting fired now.
     
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  14. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I read some hardcore data guy saying his Strasbourg team over performed quite a bit and projected as a bottom half side based on underlying numbers.

    I thought he underachieved in that season at Hull personally too. He had a ridiculous team and it was such a weak year in terms of Championship playoff chasers. I remember him constantly playing Liam Delap on the wing.
     
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  15. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    His Hull team was quite a strange one, they hadn't done well the season before (or for that matter after) and though they added people like Philogene, Morton, Delap, and Twine that summer, who looking back for them was an array of top championship talent coming in, those weren't sure things by any means at the time and he probably deserved credit for improving them as players because they all developed with him in a way they hadn't really showed beforehand.

    But then, having done that, he had them in the play offs at the end of a January transfer window where they were heavily backed to bring in top championship talent like Carvalho, Giles, and Zaroury (who'd both been two of the best players in the league the year before) - and then managed to finish outside the play offs.

    So a proper mixed bag for his one and only season there. Didn't deserve to be sacked either though.
     
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  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Newcastle’s executive team still have faith in under-pressure manager Eddie Howe, while a high turnover of players is expected at St James' Park this summer. (Mail+ - subscription required)
     
  17. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    This fits into my 'managers are overrated' thesis but sacking Howe would be pointless. It was widely covered that Newcastle's transfer window in the summer was an absolute disaster and they missed out on all their top targets. It just seems an issue of personnel rather than the manager. £60m for Elanga and £75m for a striker with 10 goals in 44 appearances is brutal stuff. Key injuries in the defence has meant that they've had to play the inept Thiaw and washd up Trippier far too much. The rational option would be to keep him on and try to get some decent players in.
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Chelsea’s owners will give their backing to head coach Liam Rosenior even if the club fail to qualify for the Champions League. (Mail+ - subscription required)

    Eddie Howe has Newcastle United's full support despite unrest among the club's fans, and the head coach will play a key role in a planned rebuild this summer - Times.

     
  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Newcastle United boss Eddie Howe has the backing of the club, despite some unrest among fans following their Champions League exit to Barcelona and a defeat by rivals Sunderland.(Times - subscription required)
     
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
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  21. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Good win for Potter last night. Tough final game against Poland though.
     
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  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Spurs considering Sean Dyche.
     
  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Tottenham will consider turning to Sean Dyche, 54, to rescue the club from relegation if first-choice Roberto de Zerbi, 46, insists he will only take the job at the end of the season. (Telegraph - subscription required), external

    Everton are planning to offer David Moyes a new contract this summer in recognition of the 62-year-old Scot's success in transforming the Toffees from relegation candidates to challengers for a place in Europe this season. (Guardian, external)
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Sean Dyche has quashed reports that he is in talks to replace Igor Tudor as Tottenham Hotspur manager. (Talksport, external)
     
  25. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Sean Dyche and Ryan Mason are among the names that could replace Igor Tudor as manager of Tottenham - The Sun

    Glenn Hoddle is in the frame for a return to Tottenham as Igor Tudor's replacement until the end of the season despite last managing in 2006 - Daily Mail

    David Beckham has backed Michael Carrick to be handed the keys to the Manchester United kingdom on a permanent basis - The Sun
     

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