The search for top class English/British managers.

Discussion in 'England' started by YankBastard, Dec 17, 2014.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Steven Gerrard could be poised to make a stunning return to Rangers as the club's search for a new manager reaches its final stages. (Daily Mail)
     
  2. Fireburn47

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    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Leicester City are poised to sack manager Ruud van Nistelrooy and are in advanced talks to appoint former Southampton boss Russell Martin. (Football Insider)
     
  3. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Sounds very much like Russell Martin is off to Leicester and Will Still to Southampton. Both are interesting appointments. I feel like it might've been better for Martin to take a job at a slightly smaller Championship club. I do think there's a good manager in there but he's clearly got a lot to learn. Even then though I wouldn't necessarily back against him turning out to be a decent appointment.

    I know a lot less about Will Still but his reputation is obviously very strong. Nice to see English managers getting the top Championship jobs.
     
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  4. sharmichael

    sharmichael Member

    England
    Jun 13, 2023
    Should either of those managers be considered English though? Will Still was born and raised in Belgium and that is clearly central to his profile as a manager since he is a fluent French speaker. Russell Martin meanwhile represented Scotland at international level, despite being born and raised in England. Perhaps it is a superficial point but were he to coach a team in a final, his flag on Wikipedia would be a Scottish one, as Postecoglou and Amorim's are Australian and Portuguese.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_UEFA_Europa_League_final

    This is why it's kind of low-level annoying that, as well as losing the likes of Ademola Lookman, Scott McTominay, Brennan Johnson and so on - players who could potentially compete for a place in the England squad - we also "lose" a fair few potential future managers when English-born players further down the pyramid decide to represent another country.
     
  5. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Will Still, has said he identifies as English and obviously has a UK passport (he says the same about Belgium). I imagine many of the players you've mentioned, consider themselves both, if this wasn't a footballing context/conversation there be no need to pigeonhole them as a single nationality.
     
  6. sharmichael

    sharmichael Member

    England
    Jun 13, 2023
    Yeah, that's true. I'm just asking myself, if Will Still won the PL as manager at some point, could we legitimately say that he has ended the wait for an English PL-winning manager? I don't doubt that the media would say that, but I think I'd find it slightly embarrassing given that he not really a product of English football.

    Martin and people like him are different, because they *are* products of English football. But, I mean, when Lookman switched to Nigeria, did any of us really continue to follow his progress? Did we get excited when he scored a hattrick in the Europa League final? For me personally, the answer to those questions are no. Ditto what McTominay is doing at Napoli.
     
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  7. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Will Still was born and raised in Belgium but considers him self English and has actually completed part of his coaching education in England as his first coaching job was with Preston's youth team. He's only 32 and is still a developing manager and if he spends the next few years managing in England, he'll have spent a huge chunk of his coaching development here.

    Unless he was hell bent on identifying as Scottish, which he doesn't seem to be, I also don't think there's any way you can actually consider Russell Martin Scottish because his links to the country are about as tenuous as Antonee Robinson's to the US. If you listen to his recent interview with Gary Lineker, Lineker asks him if he considers himself Scottish, to which he says "I did, 6 times a year".
     
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  8. TRS-T

    TRS-T Member

    Aug 21, 2014
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    If Will Still was born and raised in Australia he would have an Aussie accent so we would consider him to be Australian (like we consider Ange to be Australian rather than Greek.)

    I think it's because he was born and raised in a non-English speaking country, that he got an English accent which makes us consider him to be English rather than Belgian.

    Russell Martin was on Monday Night Football and they asked him if he was English or Scottish and he replied British.
     
  9. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Many would argue that it is how the individual view themselves when it comes to identity.
     
  10. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    It doesn't matter how you/we consider him, its the how the person perceives/feels about it, Ange very much considers himself Greek (and Australian), he even spoke about it at length in the press conference on Tuesday, and by all accounts its the same with Still.
     
  11. TRS-T

    TRS-T Member

    Aug 21, 2014
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    But he had to point out his "Greekness" to the journalist. In this country he's just considered an Aussie called Ange rather than a Greek called Angelos.
     
  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Steven Gerrard is the favourite to become the next Rangers manager. But despite rumours he's been in Scotland to seal the deal, he seems to be on the other side of the world. (The Scottish Sun)
     
  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Russell Martin is already putting plans in place for a potential Ibrox tenure. (Daily Record)
     
  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Will Still has full agreement to join Southampton as their new manager on a three-year deal at St Mary's. All negotiations completed with #SaintsFC and Lens after talks this week (Mike McGrath)
     
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  15. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Eddie Howe once again the standout English manager of the season. Newcastle should've finished 4th and messed it up a bit today but they still claimed 6 more points than last season and won a trophy - all without making any real first team signings last summer or in January.

    If they're to hit the next level they desperately need some depth as they faded a bit in the last month. All four teams that finished above them (plus Villa) had 2-3 more players with at least 1000 PL minutes this season. They massively struggled to juggle the Champions League and PL last time around and if they don't add some quality depth they'll probably just be a flash in the pan in the Champions League again.

    Two of their starting back four are also 33 which needs addressing. Big summer ahead for them.
     
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  16. Fireburn47

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    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  17. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Great to have an English manager competing in the champions league
     
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  18. Fireburn47

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    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Dave King insists Steven Gerrard is the "obvious choice" to become Rangers manager again. (Scottish Sun)
     
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    West Ham United
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    Nov 5, 2021
     
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  20. Fireburn47

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    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Inter Milan boss Simone Inzaghi has held talks with Spurs and Newcastle. (Talksport), external

    Is Eddie Howe’s time at Newcastle coming to an end?
     
  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    That would be nuts if he lost his job! Wouldn’t be a popular decision with their fans I’m sure.
     
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  22. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    No
     
  23. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Why must you fall for every clickbait nonsense?
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Former Arsenal and England midfielder Jack Wilshere, 33, is the frontrunner to become the manager of League One Plymouth Argyle. (Sun)
     
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    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     

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