The Schreuder Era Starts: 2022-23 Ajax Season

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  1. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
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    EtH went out on a high note with another Eredivisie title and some good wins in Europe. His former assistant Alfred Schreuder moves into the manager's slot having just led Club Brugge to the championship in Belgium. No word on who the assistants will be. Hamstra and Huntelaar are likely to handle the technical director job.

    Here is what we know about roster players (including those who dressed for a first team match but did not play). Lots of rumors about who might leave this summer but I won't post them.

    GK
    Onana - off to Inter Milan
    Pasveer
    Stekelenburg - out of contract but likely to renew for another season
    Gorter - JA
    Setford - JA
    Raatsie - JA, out of contract and leaving
    Tyton - short term signing, likely will not return

    Defenders
    Tagliafico - promised a transfer two seasons ago when he extended his contract
    Blind
    Martinez
    Timber
    Mazraoui - off to Bayern on a free transfer
    Schuurs
    Klaiber - knee injury early in the season and out
    Rensch
    van Gelderen - JA
    Reeger - JA
    Salah-Eddine - JA
    Llansana - JA
    Musampa - ouit of contract and off to Groningen

    MF
    Alvarez
    Gravenberch - off to Bayern though Ajax have not agreed to terms yet
    Berghuis
    Klaassen
    Kudus
    Taylor - JA most of the season but started last 4 matches
    Labyad - seldom played and was injured; out of contract
    Ihattaren - on loan for Juventus; Ajax likely to exercise option to buy
    Hlynsson - JA
    Fitz-Jim - JA

    Forwards
    Tadic
    Haller
    Antony
    Danilo - out of contract, rumored to be heading for Feyenoord
    Daramy
    Brobbey - on loan from Leipzig, Ajax likely to try to purchase
    Unuvar - JA also played MF
    van Axel Dongen - JA
    Hansen - JA
    Martha - JA

    Returning from Loan
    Perie - FC Twente
    Magallan - Anderlecht
    de Waal - PEC Zwolle
     
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  2. richsavare

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    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Next season is upon us now as far as I am concerned, and many unknowns & questions to be ultimately answered over the next couple of months.
    Badly in need of GK of higher quality.
    Hoping Antony stays and grows up with his stupid playacting.
    Quite frankly it would be a big mistake for him to go at this stage as he is rather immature, but he’s a potential World Class player with dynamic flair, skill, and ability.
    I also hope they bring in Bergwijn and Brobbey stays, and if that happens I’m all for selling Haller which has been mentioned at 40 million would be a good return.
    Haller has done pretty well but for me he’s very limited in his mobility and skill.
    Rumors of Owen Wijndal at 10 million does not make me warm and fuzzy, but Leftback is a huge hole to improve.
    Midfield needs upgrades badly in my opinion.
    Does Alvarez leave and if so who plays the holding role?
    Gravenberch who has been inconsistent and disappointing at times will be missed as he appears to be of a higher class and certainly Bayern Munich thinks just that.
    Hoping Ajax gets good money for him.
    Klaassen and Taylor don’t do it for me. Kudus injured a lot has not shown all that much when he’s played.
    Berghuis will be here and he plays better as 10 then as a Winger but he’s rather limited and frustrating to watch often as well.
    Mo Ihattaren? Will it all come together for him? I certainly hope so, but let’s be real in that he’s been outrageously overrated and overhyped to this point. It’s now or never.
    Defensively I’m tired of Blind and it goes without saying that he’s incredibly limited so I really cannot see him playing in the back with his limitations.
    As a holding midfielder he is not strong either as he cannot cover any ground.
    In the big games of serious consequences he’s useless.
    Hopefully Martinez stays and Timber too, but both are small and quite vulnerable against bigger, stronger, and more physical opposition. If they go there are huge positions to fill.
    Schuurs is too slow and has clearly shown his weaknesses at times when he’s played which led to him losing his position.
    Rensch looks like he’s not going to be the answer at right back.
    Leftback with Nico leaving and Blind around (unless he retires) is in very bad shape too.
    Jong Oranje prospects seem small and physically weak to me will always get an opportunity but again there are many unknowns regarding them.
    Last few years with Ten Hag have been pretty good so new Boss Alfred Schreuder will definitely have some areas of concern and work to be done to keep things moving forward.
     
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  3. aveslacker

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  4. wynaldaisagod

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    Totally fascinated by this off-season. Before you even factor in a new manager, I was expecting tons of movement.

    Wijndal is an interesting discussion. 10m is a fair price to me. He's still only 22. The fact that he's gotten full team caps makes me think Ajax could get a very good return for him in 2 years. I'd be fine making the deal but understand the desire to go with academy guys. But Owen isn't that old. The other factor is with RB unsettled too, let's just nail down LB.

    I'm hoping to see less Berghius/Klaassen next year. That is for sure. Blind looks finished to me as well.

    The key will be holding onto Timber, Martinez and Antony. Those 3 are all fantastic, huge parts of the team and I hope we can hold onto them another year.

    It feels like since the 18/19 team, the off-seasons have been quite tame and boring. This year is different. Guaranteed CL should help. I'm hoping for a shock transfer (ZIYECH!!!!)
     
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  5. richsavare

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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
    Any idea what will happen to Reiziger and Bogarde? I don’t believe they’re going to ManU.
     
  6. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
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    Netherlands
    Don't know. The only staff member to go with EtH is van der Gaag.
     
  7. richsavare

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    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Strange as they were on the bench.
    Would appear they’re quite valuable to Ten Hag and Ajax certainly.
     
  8. wynaldaisagod

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    Aug 9, 2019
    Lots of very interesting points...

    Antony is probably the key. If Ajax lose him, we are in serious, serious trouble. Unfortunately I can see a situation where it comes down to the end of the window and he wants out/tries to force a transfer. We've been there before. I hope I am wrong.

    I think Gravenbserch got lots of unfair criticism. He just turned 20. He's been basically a one man midfield most matches (Alvarez can't pass or progress the ball, Klaassen/Berghuis just don't aren't good). I agree he is of a higher class than the rest of the team. Bayern doesn't go after bums. I think he's going to kill it there and end up at Real/Barca. I'd love to see him and FdJ together.

    Agreed on GK. They just need to buy someone. No Cillessen.

    Midfield is (by far) #1 issue-- is Taylor good enough? I'm not sure. Kudus has been awful in his cameos (just gives the ball away constantly). But maybe he needs to play consistently to get comfortable. The start of 20/21 (against awful teams) by him has been overblown. Alvarez works in a MF with a creative 10 but we don't have that.

    Relying on Berghuis/Klaasen = no chance in CL. None.

    The more I think about it re: Winjdal... This team has so many unknowns-- that is part of why I just want to just buy Winjdal. Solve LB. He's only 22. He'll sell for a profit in 2 years.

    I think they may need to buy 1-2 more vets as well.

    Suarez come back if Haller goes? I'd love that. Save him for big matches, late match cameos. It might be the best option at the 9.
     
  9. Orange14

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    ten Hag is also adding Steve McClaren to his staff. He worked under McClaren when he was at FC Twente and they won the league.
     
  10. The task ahead at ManU is different from what they were doing at Ajax. My guess is that they're not equipped with the needed skills for change management.
     
  11. Orange14

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    #11 Orange14, May 21, 2022
    Last edited: May 21, 2022
    Many of the Ajax players are in Curacao and they played a friendly against Team Curacao, winning 5-1. Christian Rasmussen scored four times and Ihattaren once. Jay Gorter had some good saves according to reports.

    back home, Ajax U-17 defeated Feyenoord in Rotterdam 5-0.

    Highlights from Curacao
     
  12. Orange14

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    The CL final between Liverpool and Madrid has meaning for Ajax. If Madrid wins, Ajax are in Pot 1 for next seasons CL!!! All the details on possible groups are HERE. There are teams on the list that still must negotiate qualification round as will PSV.
     
  13. Brilliant Dutch

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  14. Orange14

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    Liam van Gelderen off to Groningen for €400K plus sell on value. He played in a couple of matches for the first team but is just not good enough. Timber won't decide on his future until after the Nations League matches and holiday. Moving to ManU will kill his career. Wrong club in the wrong league.
     
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  15. wynaldaisagod

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    I agree -- Timber moving to Man U would be a massive mistake by him. I am betting that he stays. I don't think they want to pay 50m Euro for him and it's just too soon. Unfortunately, I think Antony will force his way out.

    Koopmeiners is rumored to be an Ajax target. I really like him and think he'd fit great. A no-brainer really if he's available. I don't think he wants to play for a club that isn't in Europe. Him would really compliment Alvarez.

    I'm not really a huge Bergwijn fan unless it's a major discount AND Antony is gone. But both of those might be in the cards.
     
  16. aveslacker

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    What do you all think the success rate for Ajax players that move to "big" clubs is? I can't imagine it's even 50%. Yet the club has to take the transfer fee and the player is happy to make the move. It's a sad indictment of modern football.
     
  17. Orange14

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    van Basten, Bergkamp, van der Sar, and Rijkaard all did well.;)

    I guess the best semi-recent examples would be van der Vaart, snjeider, Huntelaar and Eriksen who all had quite good club careers post Ajax. Probably de Ligt and de Jong belong on the list as well. Ziyech picked the wrong club in the wrong league. Other than those mentioned, I can't think of anyone off the top.

    The main problem as we all know is that some clubs have a lot of money and the vast majority do not.
     
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  18. Brilliant Dutch

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  19. Orange14

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  20. Brilliant Dutch

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    He turns 28 this week. Thats still fairly young in todays age.
    He's probably got at least another 4 years left before he's over the hill.

    I wish Ajax would hold on to him, but you can't really stop a player from leaving if he wants to
     
  21. 33+ million? Take the money and throw Brobbey in the line up.
     
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  22. wynaldaisagod

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    Evidently Ajax want ~38m for him. I bet they'll split the difference with something like 35+bonuses.

    I'd sell but he just had a year with 34 goals and led the CL in goals per game (I think at least). Going to be 28 next year. There's a serious market for forwards who score goals. Ajax paid a ton for him considering his record with West Ham.

    Lots of other rumors out there:

    * Timber will wait another year-- van Gaal basically told him he needs to play every week to make the WC team. Going to Man U would be a mistake for him.
    * Martinez is a target of Arsenal. I'm sure they can offer him a ton more money-- but I'm not sure he'd want to go. These days players seem to care more about CL than league. He's also in mix for Argentina so moving to the PL might not be a great idea.
    * Bergwijn seems like it's going to happen. That tells me Antony is out.
    * Lots of Schuurs rumors-- I assume he's out too. Just not good enough to play for Ajax.
     
  23. No guarantee he will have the same streak coming season, so sell.

    LvG isnot paying him millions more for the risk staying and going to Qatar with the risk being kicked silly.
    Remember we have an African country in our group and although not as violent as Cameroun, they're not tenderfoot guys.
     
  24. Orange14

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    Agreement is being reached for Haller to move on to Dortmund. Transfer fee is €35M which is a €13M profit for Ajax.
     
  25. Brilliant Dutch

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    Smart move by BD because he's hitting his prime.

    Who's gonna replace him though?? Brobbey??
    I'm not saying he cant do the job, but there's still a lot of question marks around him
     

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