Alert: The RMBS Copa America 2024 Thread - Predictions & Discussion

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Who will win the Copa America?

Poll closed Jul 4, 2024.
  1. Brazil

    16 vote(s)
    45.7%
  2. Argentina

    7 vote(s)
    20.0%
  3. Uruguay

    6 vote(s)
    17.1%
  4. Colombia

    5 vote(s)
    14.3%
  5. Chile

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Paraguay

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Others

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  1. Digital

    Digital Member+

    Dec 10, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    Waste of time watching that, huffing puffing nothing
     
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  2. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Brazil hasn't had a competent tactical approach in what feels like a quarter century
     
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  3. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    The players are kind of lazy, a lot of standing around and waiting, there isn't much in terms of taking the initiative and pressing, working.

    It's just lacking in effort.

    Not that the team can't line up better, but no coach tells the team ok go out there and watch while the opponent passes it across the defense and you let them.
     
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  4. boeder

    boeder Member+

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Brazil need a foreign coach, end of.
     
  5. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Probably a couple foreign players while they are at it.
     
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  6. AppleBob86

    AppleBob86 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jan 11, 2018
    Can’t believe I stayed up to watch that.
     
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  7. boeder

    boeder Member+

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Dorival got his XI wrong, changes were super late.

    What was the point of playing with a double pivot of BG and Gomes for +80 mins against a team that parked the bus? Savio was a massive upgrade over Raphina.
     
  8. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Brazil's issues aren't the lineup or the substitutions.

    Vinicius should be a lot more assertive and dominant as a personality, being one of the guys works in Madrid but being subbed out with almost 20 minutes of football to go shouldn't be happening with a player that wants to be the country's best player.

    In general the hierarchy is a bit flat. Everybody plays like they are the center of the team.

    The team needs to create a ladder. Can't everybody have superstar attitude and privileges and stand around ball watching.
     
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  9. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Vini must be the only balón dor hopeful who keeps getting subbed for the NT. You don't sub your best player if you want to win, you make sure they are put in the best position to be decisive. I don't know what Vini's deal is with the NT but subbing isn't the solution, it's putting more players on the left to give him options. Vini started out as a CF today but had 0 shots all game, that's poor. All the attacking players had multiple shots. The AM had 6, Rodrygo too.

    It's interesting how it is Rodrygo that has become Brazils best player and the hope of the NT, rather than Vini who is an absolute menace for RM but a Bebe for the NT.
     
  10. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #135 .halamadrid2., Jun 24, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2024
    I was thinking about this yesterday. And I came up with the same problem. I feel like Brazil is a team where everyone wants to be a hero. Everyone wants to score. At RM Valverde will for ex make a lung busying run but in the final third he will look for one of the attackers. At Brazil they'll shoot first.

    Vini getting subbed should have him fuming through his nostrils, but the guy is almost apathetic. In some of the early friendlies Brazil were playing through Raphina and Vini was just a passenger on the left. Never went over to demand the ball, stood the by the touchline all game. That isn't the Vini we know.

    Rodrygo on the other hand, plays with so much authority. Rodrygo had 68 touches on the ball today compare that with the Dortmund game where he had 28 to Vini's 61.

    I just checked how many 90 mins Vini has played for the NT since his debut and I count 7 in 30 appearances with 5 being in friendlies. That's laughable. I never seen a team treat their best player like that. It's actually incredible.

    Rodrygo has 9 in 24 games.

    Vini has 8 goals plus assists Rodrygo has 7.

    I am not comparing the two. Just merely making a point.

    Maybe those that follow the Brazilian NT can fill us in on the goings on in the Brazilian NT and media's coverage of them
     
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  11. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    People request more personality from players but the reality is a lot of coaches admit they look for inspiration in other sports like basketball and the NFL, running set plays and using role players and specialists to create a consistently flat performance curve that only varies due to fitness and individual performance. I remember Nagelsmann saying there need to be offensive and defensive coordinators in football as well, and I know that a lot of clubs hire dead ball specialists that's create set plays.

    Coaches don't want individuality. What's important is performing within the "playbook"




    Vinicius is the arguably best player of this generation. A player that performs perfect within a designed environment.

    I don't expect Brazil to play like the Brazil of the past, but the idea is that players can't discount on effort. You need to chase, fight and run more now.
     
  12. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    We'll need to be very careful with Endrick's weight by the way. Not too alarming right now but he's a really big guy for his age. Kind of made me woah when he got subbed in.
     
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  13. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Paraguay parked the bus

    Costa Rica parked the bus

    what was the difference? Brazil don’t have James :D
     
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  14. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The Brazil result really opens the door for Colombia to win the group and hopefully avoid a possible matchup with Uruguay at least until the final, obviously on paper as both Colombia and Iriguay have to take care of business, or if it’s Brazil again it would in the semis
     
  15. AppleBob86

    AppleBob86 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jan 11, 2018
    I like Brazil. The nation I want to do well after England.

    However, piss poor management for multiple years, coupled with a drip feed of talent compared to other years is making it hard for them to win any significant yet.

    They need a top tier coach to "coach" them and they'll need to bring someone in from Europe to do it.

    I can see Columbia or Uraguay winning Copa.
     
  16. RMrules

    RMrules Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 12, 2019
    Vinicius is atrocious for Brazil plain and simple if Argentina wins Copa America Messi is winning the Balon dor ,Vinicius can forget about it .
     
  17. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    I know this will be an unpopular opinion right now, but bookmark it. Messi won't win anymore BDR unless he wins 2026 WC. BDR is voted by only journalists now and they are not voting for MLS player just because of Copa America win.

    World Cup yes has been a game changer not just for Messi but for R9 in 2002 and Cannavaro in 2006. FIFA's best voted by coaches and captains can go to Messi for wins like Copa America. Vini or Bellingham will win BDR unless Mbappe or Kroos win Euro 2024.
     
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  18. HZinho

    HZinho Member+

    Apr 2, 2013
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    Real Madrid
    Tbh, Messi shouldn't even be on the shortlist of 30, let alone 10. A contender? Has to be zero chance. He's semo-retired, just like his Portugese friend.
     
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  19. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Had sex with gf and went to bed when 2nd half started. I think I slept after 23 seconds. Brazil is terrible.
     
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  20. AppleBob86

    AppleBob86 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jan 11, 2018
    Messi is not winning the Balon d'or regardless.

    I also don't think Argentina will win Copa.

    Messi was average v Canada.
     
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  21. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Maybe I need to rewatch part of this game, but one thing I didn't see was lack of effort. We stole

    It’s interesting how different we observe games. If there’s one thing I didn’t think was lacking yesterday was effort . We often pressed and stole the ball in their field from the very start . Maybe you mean certain players later in the game as some got s bit tired ?
     
  22. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Tbf I only watched the second half, woke up at about 4 for breakfast before my training commute. :coffee:

    I just don't see the passion. You're right in one thing, as much as Neymar dgaf about Barca or PSG, he absolutely loved playing for Brazil, and did so as if it truly meant something.
     
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  23. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    And Vini plays like that for RM funnily enough. I am not saying he doesn't like playing for the NT but you see the difference in his passion when playing for both
     
  24. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    There was a period in the 2nd half where some players got a bit tired and frustrated. But overall the work rate was good IMO.

    Neymar always showed up for Brazil. Never hid away. I don't think he ever hid on the field with Barca nor PSG either. If anything, I'd say sometimes he tried to do a bit too much.
     
  25. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It's just that at Madrid you guys seem to give him a lot more game situations where he has space to run into defenders. With Brazil he doesn't get that as much. And specially in the CA, with field dimensions that are shorter and narrower, it's going to be a problem for him. I'd consider us switching to a more counter attacking style if we want to get the best out of him.

    My main beef with Vini when he has played with us so far is that he has fluffed a few awfully easy goal scoring opportunities. I can't say that about yesterday. He did turn the ball over 3-4 times though that with a better team, could have lead to a dangerous counter.
     
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