The Refried Presidency: Trump Hateful Machine/Fossil Fuel Boogaloo or Whatever Continuation

This is so predictable from you.

She just needs to be im peached and removed form office along with hegseth. They are so incompetent.

 

The choices here are (a) she's lying, or (b) she's incompetent and unprepared.

You'd think a Press Secretary would be good at remembering names and faces.

 

I don't think it's a choice. It's pretty obviously both (a) and (b).

 

Even we are to assume she knew who he was, it’s obvious his sole intent was to show up and be disruptive. So it’s hard to feel sorry for him. He got a nice viral clip out of it, which is what he wanted.

 

I feel like there's an Ennio Morricone theme playing here. Maybe it's just me.

 

Got it. Follow up….if Kagan doesn’t recommend and instead denies…but doesn’t stay her denial for the inevitable what is the affect on the parties. If there is no longer an active stay pending appeal (assuming the 9th would stay the implementation of their denial to give DOJ the chance to take their shot with SCOTUS). Trying to understand the practical affect of her denying.

 

I got that once here a few months back-- but it was just some kind of a glitch, and it went away when I logged off and back on. I just figured the Muskpuppies had screwed up the internet again.

 

Kind of yes. Except the minute the district court ruling goes into affect…and Gavin immediately issues orders to the NG to send everyone home…fed control won’t be the status quo by the time the shopped justice issues the tro. The horse would be through the gate at that point,

 

Ok. Let’s follow your logic.

Trump/Hegseth order the marines or the national guard to open up on the protesters with mounted 50 cal machine guns. By this logic….it is dangerous for officers within the chain of command to refuse to obey that order….but rather…we have to have the people down range of the 50 cal call a time out….hope the military honors time outs….run to court…get a court to declare the order illegal and issue a TRO….call time in and tell the commanding officer of the guys on the trigger…excuse me sir….but you need to read this…judge what’s his name just clarified that cutting us to pieces with 50 caliber bullets is actually illegal.

Oh….and what happens if the judge automatically stays that ruling pending appeal. Do those down range have to call time out again? After each round of appeal? And if we can’t rely on our military officers to make judgement calls about the legality of orders….can we at least count on them to honor the rules of time outs? Or is that a separate issue that needs to be adjudicated?

And finally…given this process….exactly what is the point of having them swear an oath to the constitution and the laws of this country? Would seem simpler if the oath merely stated “I do solemnly swear that I will follow every order given to me, without thought, until federal judge tells me to stop following it.”

Edit: and one more thing…if we really don’t want officers to make that determination in their own….the military actually has military lawyers who can advise those officers on the legality of an order…or the person giving it is legally authorized to do so. It took me 10 seconds to find the number for the California Military Department of the Staff Judge Advocate. They can be reached at 916-854-3505. They’re open Monday through Friday 8-5pm….though I imagine someone might pick up the phone after hours for an inquiry from the Commandant.

 

I like heroes who don't get rained out

 

Won't happen.

But if it does, expect massive firings at NOAA.

 

My understanding is that, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, there are some orders that would be illegal for anyone in the chain of command, from a Lieutenant fresh out of training up to the President, to give. I'm hopeful that an order to massacre unarmed protestors would not be followed, if for no other reason than that the Lieutenant or Sargent on the ground doesn't want to face murder charges.

Whether the National Guard was properly called up by the President is a different, and more complex, legal question that probably can't be determined by the soldiers on the ground. So long as they're only asked to follow otherwise legal orders during their current deployment, there's nothing wrong with them continuing to do what they're doing.

 

The Soccer in the USA mods get sent sweet SUM cash for squelching pro/rel talk but there are no benefits for modding here.

 

thanks in advance for your service!

now, is it too soon to drop the ban hammer on a certain germ-infested toxicity that has infected this fine forum?

 

There is an alternative to this. Given you’re not a mod here yet you can’t use mod stupidfaceness as an excuse for your current stupidfaceness.