The Reffing in KC/LA can NOT be serious! (R)

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by Autogolazo, Jun 14, 2003.

  1. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    A blown throw-in call and invented penalty decide the match, while Carlos Ruiz knocks Carey Talley unconscious with an elbow deserving of an IMMEDIATE red card and no card is given whatsoever.

    This is NOT a serious league as long as refereeing of this caliber takes place.
     
  2. copaantl98

    copaantl98 Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Since it's for the home team, just let it go. At least that'll make the home fans happy and make them want to come back. Other than that the refs are horrible. But they should at least give the home team some benefit of doubt since many of them don't.
     
  3. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    Nice dive cobi:rolleyes:Pity the galaxy have to resort to drawing penalties just to win.
    Ricardo Salazar= idiot.
     
  4. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brought to you by the same man that gave you Chicago at San Jose.

    He also gave a joke PK to KC.

    So no home bias there, just incompetent Ref.
     
  5. KoRnNutZ1320

    KoRnNutZ1320 Member

    Oct 15, 2002
    Garden Grove, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    THANX...AND A QUAKES FAN...you KNOW its gotta be true now :p

    AW WELL...GALAXY WIN SO I DON'T CARE NO MORE...JUST DON'T LET IT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

    umm...NO... just a regular foul... no need for card...MAYBE a yellow... but not really. He wasn't unconcious, he was just laying around like a lil punk...lots of peeps do that...
     
  6. ojsgillt

    ojsgillt Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lee's Summit MO
    both of the penalties were soft at the very best.
     
  7. Crazy_Quakes_Fan

    Crazy_Quakes_Fan New Member

    Jul 23, 2002
    San Mateo, CA
    Ricardo Salazar? Oh god. What a mess of a ref that man is. After seeing both fouls on MLS wrap, I would have to say that both calls were questionable. There was very little intense physical contact on the Jones PK (a bit of a dive if you ask me, but take that for what it's worth as I am a San Jose supporter.) The other one might have been called obstruction, which could lead to an indirect kick in the box (which Salazar doesn't seem to understand, just ask Manny Lagos) but it was still a very questionable call.

    Props to Kevin Hartman though. That was a fantastic save to earn LA the three points.
     
  8. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess you don't take the World Cup as a serious tournament then? Because the referees at the World Cup had much worse games than this.
     
  9. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    SKC/STL
    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    That disallowed goal for DC was possibly the worst call I've ever seen. Gansner had to be flagging for offside since I doubt linesmen would flag for a foul (wasn't a foul either) in the box on a set piece. Even if you go back to the days when you had to be in front of the 3rd defender to be onside, it was still onside.
     
  10. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gansner interestingly enough also was one of the linesmen in the refereeing debacle in SJ, although I dont know if he was the one that couldnt tell Whitfield was 3-5 yards off sides or the other guy.
     
  11. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    I've got to admit that PK was even worse, though it might have been partly a make-up call for the first blunder. That happens quite a bit and as far as I'm concerned it's an example of two wrongs make a right. Much better than giving one team a gift.

    Ruiz's elbow was pretty serious. I wonder if MLS will take that as seriously as Garcia's trivial acting. I doubt it.
     
  12. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    I didn't mean that the level of play isn't serious--it's the level of refereeing that doesn't do justice to the growing level of the players and the league. And worst of all, doesn't protect them.

    Ruiz's elbow was not "just a foul." And Talley was semi-conscious, yes, but actually looked wobbly-legged and incoherent as he staggered off the field and had to be replaced right away.

    And giving two bad PKs away--even if one is a make-up call--is not good reffing. Remember Predergast's make-up call against the US in Costa Rica?

    As for the World Cup, FIFA was so horrified at the bias and the blown calls that it has vowed it will no longer try to imitate the United Nations when it comes to appointing refs and linesmen. We'll see if they carry it off, but supposedly the "teams" of officials will all speak the same language, and have experience working with one another.

    I'll believe that when I see it, but there's no question it degraded the tournament. Certainly Spain and Italy feel it wasn't a serious tournament.
     
  13. TommyMack

    TommyMack Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where the hell did 6 minutes of stoppage time come from?

    tm
     
  14. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Salazar was indeed a disgrace but I thought the first PK call was a good one. Cobi had beaten his man and was off balance while in stride even before being hit and hence it LOOKED like he went down easy, but in reality he just went down 'cause he was fouled.

    Just my .02 of course.
     
  15. ojsgillt

    ojsgillt Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lee's Summit MO
    3 goals, sevearl injuries including Talley's, 6 substitutions and 5 yellow cards within the second half (2 more in injury time). I think 6 minutes is about right.
     
  16. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The ref was at least consistant in his calls, they were crap both ways.
     
  17. ag944

    ag944 New Member

    Jan 27, 2000
    Los Angeles, CA, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LA-KC officiating fiasco

    Horrible offficiating, yes. I was about 50 yards from the foul on Cobi, however, and that was a PK all the way. Cobi beat the guy, so he chopped his ankles. The elbow to Talley's head was terrible --- reminiscent of Leonardo on Tab Ramos (also un-whistled, if I remember correctly). The PK against Lalas was pretty laughable, it was minor contact, and no self-respecting ref would whistle it in, say England, Spain, Italy, etc.

    The funny thing was the bad throw-in call just before the Cobi pk. The KC players were furious with the linesman and were SCREAMING expletives at him the rest of the match. Josh Wolff lined up in a 2-man wall, and let go with a string of vulgarity that would make a Marine Seargent blush. Meola just never stopped screaming at the guy the rest of the game.

    While this Ref should be thrown out of the league, this was a real barnburner of a game... end to end action non-stop. It was exciting stuff.

    ---Mark



     
  18. BenC1357

    BenC1357 Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    KC
    Re: LA-KC officiating fiasco

    Again, more burning biased remarks from an LA fan, so I'll chime in with my biased remarks as well. :)

    Jones and Gomez both had contact with each other with their arms in the other's chest area.
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    I watched on TV with replays and I went back last night to my tape and put it on slow motion. There was no "chopping of the ankles". You may have been there, but I watched it over and over on video. I'd say anyone with a tape has got the better look.

    You're right, the elbow was terrible. A 2-3 game suspension and $1,000 fine is in order. Teach Ruiz a damn lesson for once that he cant get away with that crap in this league.
    You're also right that the KC PK was the wrong call. Lalas did move back to get in Quill's way, but this same play happens all the time on ball going toward keepers or going toward the end line. Defenders often shield the ball and the chasing player slams into him with the result being a noncall or a foul on the offensive player. I saw very little reason for the PK except as a make up call.
     
  19. Bonaventure

    Bonaventure New Member

    Oct 4, 2000
    Gilbert, AZ
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What that picture shows is that Cobi had him beat. By the time the penalty was called, Cobi was farther in front of him and got shoved in the back. Penalty.
     
  20. BenC1357

    BenC1357 Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    KC
    Yes, Gomez was beat. That is all that picture shows. Just because a player is beat in the box doesnt mean that if the offensive player goes down it MUST be a PK does it? As I stated, Jones got around Gomez, then went down like a bag of bricks. There was no shove, and definitely no chopping of the legs. If anything there was what this picture shows: both players with their hand on each other and Jones going down with little to no contact. It was similar to Twellmans dive the previous week where Twellman was yellow carded for diving. There was contact, but not enough for a player to go down so easily.
     
  21. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The other obvious joke was the failure to call a "play on" when Albright had a clear breakaway.

    Now, I can't honestly say that call impacted the game, because I don't have any illusions about Albright's ability to do anything with the ball on a breakaway, but it was such a grossly stupid call - not even close - that it does undercut any credibility the ref might conceivably claim.

    The problem with this kind of failure is that it takes away any motivation a player might have to fight through a foul and try to stay up. If the ref is going to penalize a player who works through a foul, you might just as well go down, roll around, and pretend.
     
  22. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
    New Albany, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cobi dove. Big time. Bad call.

    Lalas obstructed. That should've been an indirect free kick. Bad call. But, nobody ever calls obstruction in the box. Jeff Cunningham and Brian West have been obstructed more times than I can count, and I've never seen an indirect free awarded inside the area. I think the refs believe any foul they whistle inside the box is a penalty kick.
     
  23. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shouldn't have been anything. Lexi wasn't even moving by the time we was run into.
     
  24. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    SKC/STL
    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    He saw Quill chasing the ball, turned and stepped in front of him to impede his progress. Obstruction would not be a poor call. A very bold one, but not a poor call.
     
  25. Carson Galaxy

    Carson Galaxy Member

    Jun 14, 2001
    Downey, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, Lalas was facing the goal and the KC player ran into his back! That is such a flagrant obstruction. Lalas got a yellow on top of that!!!! What a joke. That ref was set on trying out for a Hollywood role with all the air time he was getting.
     

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