Definitely at this point Sarge is part of the problem, I've made that point before. Also, I think he can improve, he already showed better instinct for positioning before.
The "Jesús Sargent" def has some Bigsoccer potential. Honest question, wouldn't Jesús, be Jewish before Latin?
No, you are the one that has no clue about statistics or data. You refuse to address the data on this thread- lots of it- that plainly states that it is WAY too early to give a comprehensive career evaluation of Josh at this stage of his career. Getting back to your nonsense argument, there simply ARE NOT dozens of hot striker youth prospects that start in a major 4 league at 20-21 years old. (so your 'pool' is already significantly narrowed). Those youth strikers fall out of the funnel much earlier, because they are not good enough to make it to the next stage. It is proven on the pitch daily at these clubs. They are heavily monitored every part of their game, including mechanics on a DAILY basis by highly paid professionals who evaluate talent for a living. Further, there aren't dozens of 21 year old strikers that sell for $11m dollars (pre-COVID translates more) in any given year. That is an evaluation of professionals who are trained much more than you or I to evaluate the skill level and value of players. They do a throughout statistical and mechanical analysis based on a large pool of players in different leagues- a much finer 'eye' to evaluate than anyone here. If what you are saying is true, there would be a plethora of youth strikers you could plug and play at these top clubs in the top 4 leagues. Because they would be just as good as Josh is now, based on your 'statistical' analysis. But here's what happened: those same youth striking talents go to these clubs and PROFESSIONAL EVALUATORS, much smarter than you take the best of the best and they make the squad. The very best of the best of the best get to start. The others fall by the wayside. That's where Josh is at this point. The best of the best of the best of youth striking former 'prospects'. That is a much, much, much smaller pool that 'dozens'. So already your original point is totally irrelevant statistically. We are now discussing a much, much smaller sample. Also, if what you are saying is true, you would never buy a Josh at $11m, because there is an such a large supply of youth striking talents with his skill level out there....which would depress the price of such transactions. There's your real economics, partner. And how about your boy Hoppe. 1 goal in 16 match club match streak going currently. I don't see you ragging on him on that thread. Why the fixation here with Josh? How did Hoppe even make it to start in the BL? His stats were much worse than Josh at his Schalke 2 club. Much worse. Something like (again) 1 goal in 16 appearance at Schalke 2 before promoted to the big club. Haha, it is an easy projection to envision Jazzy Altidore as the top scout at Schalke.....your comment to the Schalke 2 coach: ' This American kid has 1 goal in 16 appearances? He is only playing at Schalke 2? This Hoppe guy sucks....let's get the next top youth prospect in here since there are so many at this guy's level'. Haha But yet, professional evaluators saw beyond that blip in Hoppe's performance because they understand data on the pitch performance as it relates to big 4 league soccer- they see these players competing everyday on the training pitch everyday, and in a much better position to evaluate....and you have no freakin' clue. Good thing you were not working for Schalke last year, or Hoppe would be slinging burgers in El Segundo right now. What's remaining: if your argument is that a 21 year old striker in any top 4 league might not be not pan out......well BIG FAT DUH!!! But you/I/the thread will only know that in retrospect. Just like you only know Lewy will become Lewy in retrospect. But of course, you would have known that Lewy, playing in the Polish league at 21- would become the top striker in the world. Wow, Sancho...what a loser. 7 games, ZERO goals. Cost 10 times what Josh did. He's done, loser, its over. Face it, you are just blowing smoke out your ass.
Economics? Yummy. The problem with a lot of your arguments is that you offer spurious correlation or selection bias when citing stats. We will just go ahead and ignore the eye test as to whether Sargent is a cf. To your Legitimate question on transfers between Sargent ans Hoppe. Sargent was bought as a RW for the championship next season. Hoppe.... Well, I believe there are agent problems....
Norwich paid 11 million for Josh to play on the wing in the Championship next season? That is patently ridiculous and just as likely as him becoming a 6. Golazo isn't even making any claims about Sargent's quality. He's simply saying that he's in a pretty advanced situation for a player his age, and that it's too early to tell what he will become.
Norwich fans disagree (straight from the Norwich forum): “15 goals in 86 games for relegated team in Germany. Is this EPL quality? No. Is the price tag right for Delia's Norwich? Yes. Verdict: Championship signing for season commencing 22/23. Would have been better to hang on to see how Toddwell situation develops before committing to this signing. More money = better targets. Discuss.”
Yeah, this is your idea of statistics? Pulling 1 post from a chat board? ROFL Says a lot about the quality of your thought process and your understanding of data lol
Fans?? Who gives a shit about what fans are saying. Most fans are idiots when it comes to this stuff. Is he EPL quality? He definitely could be. We don't know yet, and his stats don't prove anything one way or the other. Discuss? Your "verdict" is ridiculous.
Gooch Dempsey and CD all agree with me—Sargent should get benched on the national team and has done nothing noteworthy on his club.
Seriously? That is much different from saying that he was bought to play in the Championship NEXT season and that he will never be an EPL caliber player.
It's not nearly as bad as you want it to sound considering his age, the team he was on, and his role in that team.
Send us all the proof that Gooch, Dempsey and CD all said or wrote that 'Josh has done nothing noteworthy at his club'. You can't do that....you know you can't do that.......so you are just blowing more smoke out your ass...
No. ("Jesus" is not an ancient Hebrew/Aramaic name - His name would be better translated as Joshua - which is part of the joke. Although it was really a Greek change, not Latin, but I've never been known for accuracy and it's not called "Greek America" now is it?) I am, however, sitting by the cave praying for a resurrection of his scoring touch, so we got that going for us.
Circular logic here. Sargent can never be judged for his bad play because of the team he plays on. Of course, only bad teams want him because he’s not competitive with decent strikers. No matter how bad he actually performs, people here will make excuses for him. Many dozens of players his age or younger have differentiated themselves as very good players. The problem with Josh is that he lacks physical athleticism or skills that allow him to compete with decent defenders. At his age, he’s not going to get any faster or more athletic, and his skills are not going to take a big leap. He was just an early bloomer.
He could get wiser, certainly, but without the foundation of athleticism and skill, it won’t matter for much.
Why is it ridiculous? It's a pretty shrewd business move and it happens all the time. You ever signed a contract where the first 12 months offer distinctly better conditions than the following 12 months of the contract? How much did Norwich spend, who did they sign and from where? It's patently obvious IMHO.
BTW, Eric Wynalda has a podcast and will be talking about this topic : Next podcast - https://t.co/H1SgYDKV1s— Eric Wynalda (@EricWynalda) September 28, 2021
Sarge, like a few USMNT players before him, suffers a bit from premature exultation. If he'd had a more Hoppe-like stealth career the vibe would be different, but a few too many people suggested he was going to reach levels that are pretty rarified air and not many strikers of any stripe reach, so he was pretty much bound to disappoint. He could be a perfectly passable EPL relegation-level/top Champs striker and still be very good (and in the National Team mix). Those two things are not mutually exclusive. But landing consistently higher than that level is rare, special and, while it would be awesome, it's a low-percentage bet based on watching Jesus Sarge.
Another deflection. That's not what you wrote. That's not what I quoted. This is really disingenuous posting from you.