News: The rebuild goes on... - The summer 2020 transfer thread

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  1. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    They didn't have to make a deadline for those guys.

    Btw the deadline is their preseason training start date you're making it seem like its some random date just to put pressure on us.
     
  2. Diable Rouge

    Diable Rouge Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    it's both. the start of their preseason training AND a date to put pressure on us. dortmund said that the deal was off if not completed by aug 10. that is obviously not true.
     
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  3. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I honestly did not believe they'd walk away from big money this summer but that is when it was believed that Sancho's contract was set to expire in 2022.
    According to Zorc, his contract now runs out in 2023, which mean they still can sell him at full price next summer, probably even for more since there will likely be more teams in for him (unlike this summer)
    As it's been mentioned before, Dortmund have a habit of getting what they want. Hence why deals usually tend to happen late as teams think they can be coerced into bringing their price down (which it doesn't incidentally).
    There is still plenty of time left (just under 2mos, not 3) so there is still time for negotiations but are you really confident in Woodward and Judge when looking at recent history alone?
     
  4. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And on that note...
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    Could be the break that United needed.
     
  5. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Supposedly Woody agreed 60/60 then tried to pull a Levy;

     
  6. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    Fecking Woody, Such a pussy ...
     
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  7. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    True. So are you feeling confident that we will grt it done? Or should we move on?
     
  8. Naboomagnoli

    Naboomagnoli Member+

    May 31, 2007
    I think there are wingers available for less than £60m who will improve us. But none who will improve us as much.

    I'm fully expecting this to be supreme posturing, and I fully expect that gazundering rumour to be true. The amount of panic in Utd fans, and the lolz from non-Utd fans, are exactly what BVB are leaning on. They've had a ********load of experience selling from positions of strength.
     
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  9. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    Jamaica
    i think the date they set is tied to their buys too.

    they must have a list of targets they want to reinvest the money into and probably want time to do deals as well.

    no real downside for them to setting a date either real or fake
     
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  10. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As it's been mentioned, this is standard operating procedure for Dortmund.

    History shows also that they end up getting the money they were expecting from those deals.
     
  11. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
     
  12. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That seems to be United's 'official' response, as it's being reported by multiple sources/journos.
    Kind of confusing (BS-y even) if we're being honest. Not often that deals are negotiated via an agent but if I remember correctly that how it happened with Pogs, with Raiola oddly enough, the one who brokered the deal on the club's behalf with Juve.
    And "frustrated by the pace of the negotiations"... Kind of ironic coming from United, lol. Fasten your seatbelts, ladies and gents: this is going to be a bumpy and long ride...
     
  13. JC7rox

    JC7rox Member+

    Manchester United FC, LAFC
    Jun 11, 2004
    West Coast, Cali!
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Worst front office ever. United always seems to get their target like a year after the fact. Well, I guess they are getting better. Bruno was only 6 months after.

    I thought Woody was no longer going to be in charge of the transfer business?
     
  14. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
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    United States
    HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAHAHAAHAAAAAAA!

    You're new here, aren't you?
     
  15. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I think the club is in the right. You can't pony up the cash. We'd get absolutely reamed. If Dortmund say 120M or they walk, by Aug 10 and on the 8th we offer 120M 80/40, there's nothing to say they have to accept the bid. It isn't a release clause. They could say, we'll take all 120 up front or 100 + 40 to make it happen.

    We may well end up paying 120M but it is downright stupid to ask someone what something costs and then offer that sum right away. You'll get mugged.

    Don't compare to City. The reason city get so many players at decentish fees is they don't compete. They have a price they will pay and they make a concrete offer and if the counter offer is too high, they walk away. You do that and teams know they have to play nice.

    We should really take the control away from Woody because he a) loves the attention b) loves the metrics of all the social media play and mentions when there's a transfer saga ongoing.
     
  16. Diable Rouge

    Diable Rouge Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    bingo! seems like every summer united has a no 1 target that they absolutely want to get; that kills your leverage. it should never be sancho or bust.
     
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  17. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Yup... in this data forward world, a club with our stature should never have a single target as you say.

    Our targets should be organized.

    If we are looking for a RW/AM type of player, we should have 2 options ready to start now who are not yet in their peak years, 2 to 3 who are in their peak years and 1 or 2 players who are a punt who might develop into what we need at that position in 2-3 years.

    That's assuming that we've decided we want 1 type of player for that role. If we were open to multiple roles (for example a traditional chalk on boots winger) then that just increases the pool.
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    This seems to confirm something Honigstein was talking about re BVB

    Elite talent signs with them on the express understanding that they will be sold for huge money if/when the Premier League inflated transfer cash comes knocking - and the player and the club will share the spoils.

    Seems to be a very standard template now where you sign with a shop window club as a stepping stone to a mega deal, rather than going to be big club straight away.

    BVB are very good at this model - and here we see sancho has a % clause in his contract - so in some respects, BVB don't 100% own the rights of the player
     
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  19. Naboomagnoli

    Naboomagnoli Member+

    May 31, 2007
    The problem Utd have compared to City is that City can afford to walk away from transfers precisely because their squad is already so good - they don't need players in the way we tend to when we walk into a meeting. Our desperation is written on our faces because everybody knows how shallow our bench is right now, and how much our fanbase, coaching staff and sponsors alike want us to sign him.

    And Sancho is so good that there is only plan A and plan C. Plan B is simply to not sign him this year, and BVB are more than happy with that.
     
  20. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    #920 Ashur, Aug 11, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2020
    Patience is going to be key here...

     
  21. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Woody needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

    I get the need not to be pushed around on transfers and I also get the lure of trying to get a 'covid' discount. However this particular transfer is not the one to try and make a stand on these issues.

    First off, he is a proper right-wing forward ie modern right-winger. Not makeshift or occassional. He can also genuinely play the other wing and has also shown he can play centrally too. The flexibilty that would give us with the guys we currently have is fairly unique.

    He is also only 20 and yet has around 100 Bundesliga/European appearances for BvB and has scored 34 goals. He got 17 goals and 16 assists in the league this season.

    Talents like this don't come along often. A player with his age could give us over a decade of service and with those numbers and flexibility is going to cost top dollar - the price they have reportedly set is ball-park.

    Not the transfer to try and make a statement on negotiating strength - they hold all the cards. Lean-in to it, defer what you can - make the kid the most expensive british player and get it done.
     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yep - and having reached a kind of point of no return with this - you might as well go all in

    Why does the deal structure matter when 60+60 was agreed?
     
  23. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    well we will see who blinks first.

    Dortmund are not new to this and will have a list of transfers in lined up based on the money they'd get. that might be another factor behind them pushing for a certain split.

    United need the player but know they are in a one horse race (for now) and the length of the remaining contract is not on Dortmund's side. United also seem not to care about time to integrate into the squad. at least not more than getting the best price possible (eg Bruno).

    i don't know if Dortmund are really open to keeping bad apples/wantaway players. can't recall any cases offhand.

    they usually get their pound of flesh and we usually end up paying it. i'd be OK in this case if we pay what they want because Sancho is a generational talent.

    especially if it means we can focus on the alleged two other players Solskjær wants
     
  24. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

    Apr 10, 2010
    Places
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Dortmund won't lose this battle. They'll get what they want so all we're doing is dragging it out and putting our other targets at risk.
     
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  25. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some people are starting to fret apparently because the likes of Hummels, Haaland or Witsel (among others at Dortmund) have come out with comments suggesting they're happy Sancho is staying. Ok, but I'll wait for what Sancho himself has to say on the matter personally.
    Also, the talk of "informal talks" with Barca about Dembele are a (bad) joke and we can hear the laughter all the way in Germany. Obviously, a negotiating ploy from United but the timing is off: this is the kind of stuff that might have been more effective before it was made clear by the hierarchy that it's pretty much Sancho or bust.
    No one will take that seriously, least of all Dortmund since we've made our position on Sancho crystal clear. If you're going to take that stance, you have to act like it and be very direct and decisive in how you go after him, something we've failed badly to do so far.
    And that is before we mention the obvious about Dembele: damaged goods to take a punt on in this case I'm afraid. The only way one might be considered, is if the asking price was lowered significantly, which is unlikely to happen...
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    Speaks for itself tbh. Great talent obviously but the risk is just too great.
     
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