The Real Reboot Thread: Road to WC22

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Ger90, Jun 29, 2021.

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  1. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Now Flick has to find a way to make Germany's attack function when playing together.
     
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  2. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Let’s hope Fulkrug is a late starter for the NT juts like Bierhoff and scores the winning trophy goal for us
     
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  3. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Leading goal scorer now - German player mhhhhh
     
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  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    His 7th of the season.
    https://streamja.com/62Eeb

    who would have thought it would
    1-be a German
    2-Not be a Schick, Haller (sucks for him), Mane etc


    hahaha, glad that Lewa and Haaland bailed.
     
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    he might have made it earlier if not for his injury proness and loyallties to club that he goes down to 2BL.
     
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  6. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Good assist for Stindl, Thuram with the 4-1.
     
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  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    for weeks now its been said in German media that Flick is looking a "special NEW player" who could be difference maker.

    at this point, Fullkrug might be the best option for that.
     
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  8. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well if would not know who can turn our team around or give it that extra bit to influence the whole team to play better .

    I think Werner should play last 20 minutes of a game for Sane as LF ….

    Not sure how Adeyemi will progress . But Flick did not give Nmecha enough time and not sure if Fulkrug will have time to integrate into the team …. But if he keeps scoring goals in the next few weeks then hey why not take him and play him against Japan ..
     
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  9. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    Fulkurg has the skill and physicality for a focal #9. I can see Flick dropping Nmecha and taking Fulkurg to the WC.
     
  10. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    TV expert Lothar Matthäus once again stood up for the 29-year-old: "I don't think Hansi Flick is blind. He sees these achievements and will end up taking one of these strikers with him who has these advantages." Whether that will be Niclas remains to be seen. The 1990 world champion is in favor of the filling mug: "Hansi Flick will look at it all and think about it."

    Füllkrug: "Of course I'm happy"
    "Lothar said everything," added the former Hanoverian, Nürnberger and Fürth resident as well as Füllkrug, who trained on the Weser between 2006 and 2013. "Of course I'm happy when people like Lothar Matthäus or other people who know football Praise my game and find that I'm doing well. But everything else is not in my hands. I try to perform as I'm doing right now. In the end, nothing else helps - except just keep going."
    https://www.kicker.de/ruft-flick-fu...ht-dass-hansi-blind-ist-919646/artikel#twfeed

    Stark, Ducksch, Bittencourt, Bremen coaching, Bremen brass also all think should get call up.
     
  11. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    for us tbh, it rarely works that younger CFs end up being useful young for NT. Who was the last young CF that excelled at DFB? Gomez was not good when younger for dfb got a lot better with age. That's thing, we do better the older and more exp a CF is. And that is what could be a strike against Nmecha-Adeyemi, Personally still think Nmecha is long term just a depth option, still has his uses as a short term though, Although Adeyemi can play all attacking positions, will depend on his form, just came back from injury.

    in end, Squad should be best possible one and not about age. At 29 y/o, that's not too bad for Fullkrug too.
     
  12. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The result of Bremen is a bit misleading. Despite all the goals against, Gladbach had 4-5 100% chances and only scored one of them. But, there were big holes in Bremen's defense, too. Mitchell Weiser and Niclas Füllkrug were men of the match for me. Füllkrug has the problem of no international experience, though. And I kinda agree, just look at how difficult new German teams feel to score in European competition. But let's see..

    Götze had a good game against UNION, too.
     
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  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    yeah his lack of International experience is an issue but I think you can go around. Main thing should be if he's a good fit with rest of team or not.

    Sandro Wagner had like 10 Europe caps spanning like 10 seasons, lol and got called up to Senior NT. But he was a poor fit for NT.

    I'm curious if Gotze makes it or not. There is a dfb lovefest for him too.
     
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  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany




    Voller was 26 y/o when he did it and Fullkrug is 29 y/o, its not too bad given that Voller is one of our greatest CFs.
     
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  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    on topic of Nmecha,
    1-I really don't see him in NT long term tbh. A lot of promising CFs are emerging or soooooon enough. That's why room for him in short term. He's currently injured though.
    2-That he's Penglish dev, just means we'll never hear end of it, at how Germany poached a German (0 Penglish descent, lol) who's German born and has now lived half his life in Germany.......they can't dev shit, blablablabla. Although some Penglish fans didn't want either Nmecha or Musiala to play for them as they see them as German who are naturalized Penglish. Musiala only got Penglish passport like a year prior to returning to Germany too.

    Although majority of sentiment drifts towards opportunism.
    Musiala is turning out to be one of best young players in Europe....what a waste "we lost him".

    Nmecha........thinking is Pengland hasn't dev shit CF wise from 98-01s. Last Penglish CFs are still Abraham (a lot don't rate him) and Calvert-Lewin (injured for ages now). Basically since Pengland is mostly reliant on Kane they wanted Nmecha as a depth option instead. They recently tried out guys like Wilson and Toney but their pool is not big CF wise and only difference between us and them is Kane.

    3-England wanted him for depth.....he'll end up as depth for us, LOL.
    4-I just don't see a scenerio where Nmecha would be 1st choice for either country for like 10+ years.......yeah not gonna happen. He's already behind Werner/false 9 Havertz too.
     
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  16. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The problem for Nmecha, (and Fullkrug too if he gets called up) is that Flick doesn’t seem willing to give playing time to any other CF options other then Werner & Havertz. It’s difficult to make an impression without getting some proper minutes with the NT to build up an understanding with new teammates and adapt to international football in general.

    What should have happened v Hungary and England is Nmecha start one match and play 90 mins, and Fullkrug start the other and play 90 mins.

    If Fullkrug keeps scoring I think he could well make the squad though, definitely provides a different type of option and is in great form. Whether he would actually be used much in Qatar is questionable though.
     
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  17. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If Fullkrug maintains his form then he should be in the squad as a point of difference . Better to have variety in the attack. Also he's right in the peak of his powers who could be a real asset.
     
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  18. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    Key is for him to get a call up. Flick would not plan to playing him much. However, if attack struggles and he comes on and makes an impact, Flicks' usage of him will change. His presence will create space for Sane, Gnabry, Mueller, Werner to do their thing...
     
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  19. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Whats with the insistance to play Havertz or Werner as sole CF? I totally don't get it.

    Havertz strength is technique, control, passing and vision. He should play behind CF as he is not the type to win battle against strong CB with brawl and strength. And Werner had show time and again his strength best utilized in 2 striker formation like his past tandem with Poulsen and nowadays with Nkunku. He could become dangerous as single striker if we already take a lead as our opponent try to push forward to equalize and Werner with his blistering pace could do serious damage during counter attack. But he is not the type to beat CB in low block and bunkering by our opponent, and will performed even worse than Havertz in that context.

    Having someone like Fullkrug is something beneficial with little downside (experience to name a few) since we really need CF that could hold the ball with his back against the goal and annoy the opposing CB to give way for our AM and winger to score.

    We don't always need superhuman like Haaland to win game, Italy managed to win Euro by having the likes of Immobile and Berardi as CF. As long as we equipped with high discipline, correct tactic and personnel, we could win the whole thing by having someone like Fullkrug as CF. And he doesn't have to become a top scorer in WC.

    Actually I have more concern with our squad in our MF department. Having Kimmich and Gundogan is a bit redundant. Of course its good to have 2 world class midfield, but I still scratch my head that Flick doesn't see a need to have a strong defensive midfield to protect and shore up our defence. Kimmich and Gundogan more concern in passing the ball forward rather than winning the ball or so it seems. While Goretzka tried too hard to emulate Michael Ballack by focusing too much to venture into enemy box.

    We need a no-nonsense steely midfielder that focus solely on protecting the back four. Someone with energy, tenacity, stamina and press resistance as well, to make sure our midfield shouldn't be bypass easily like knife through butter. Who the man could be? Stach? Weigl? Dorsch? Andrich? Kramer? Emre Can? I'm not sure myself but calling up plethora of winger cum AM cum CF will not win anything without balance of those who play behind those offensive position.
     
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  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    good to see you again @Blueberry_night

    I think real problem with Werner is his finishing and Havertz is just too static at CF.

    agree you really need someone who can get the best out of the whole attack. Which is currently not happening with either. Werner opens up more space than Havertz does but something tends to be off in attack even then and its mostly ends up Werner's poor finishing. I was against Havertz at CF from day 1, just too much of his play isn't CF like at all nor is his movement.

    Problem with whole Haaland is that DFB is factually obsessed with having world class CF (no joke). All over world countries make do with meh CFs, I mean bang average Szalai scored against us TWICE. Karaman (German produced and poached by Turkey) also scored against us.

    Like every country can make due with bang average CFs but we insist on amazing or bust. How about make due with what you have until you get a class CF later down line?

    France won a WC with a Giroud in XI and basically M/W doing almost all scoring. Although for me, I DON'T like that approach, I think CFs should also contribute. A CF shouldn't just be a wall and make space and nothing else, you still want a difference maker potential.

    on topic of if Fullkrug goes to WC, likely to end up on bench but his type could still be useful as plan B vs tired Legs.

    for Ms, don't forget likes of Neuhaus, Janelt, Geiger etc
     
  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Berisha continues his rise with a assist for leading 2-1
    https://streamja.com/20AQp

    Augsburg have been on rise ever since his acquisition.

    unlikely for WC but could be an option post WC.
     
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  22. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    All this talk about CFs made me remember Salvatore Schilacci, who wasn't in anybody's radar, yet served his purpose in the 1990 World Cup. Maybe Flick should take a gamble do something similar with Füllkrug.
     
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  23. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Totally agree, France winning 98 WC with a CF Stephane Guivarch that was so super uber bad that he could make Kevin Kuranyi looks like Gabriel Batistuta. But from backline to AM and winger, the squad choke full with quality player and goal scorer.

    Neuhaus I don't think fit into destroyer type midfielder. Janelt maybe. Honestly I am not a fan of Geiger, whenever I saw him play (maybe small sample) he looks mediocre. On the other hand, I am a big fan of Stiller. I hope Stiller could regain his position in starting XI after the injury. In my eyes Stiller is the modern DM that we need badly. Good on ball, press resistant, excellent passing, strong and defensive minded.
     
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  24. Collected

    Collected Member

    Jul 19, 2014
    I used to follow Füllkrug when he was 20 years old. He was showing glimpses of huge potential. He had very good technical ability, good hold up play and could dribble very well at times. He was inconsistent but the talent was there. I was hoping that he would be at a Champions league club by the time he is 24. Obviously it has taken him much longer to fulfill his potential. I believe that he has what it takes to cut it at the highest level( the WC). He is not as limited as Terrode or Modeste. Flick should give him a chance.
     
  25. Collected

    Collected Member

    Jul 19, 2014
    It sounds like you are describing Stiller.

    From the players you mentioned, none of them are good enough. I would take Andrich out of those but even he is not an ideal option. Neuhaus and Geiger are not destroyers. Does Janelt play in a proactive team? I doubt it. It is different(and easier) being a DM in a defensive-minded team. Plus, he has no Champions league experience. He needs to move to a bigger club and prove himself.
     
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