The Real reasons why US invaded Iraq

I absolutely am prepared to believe this. I don't believe it b/c there's no evidence, other than circumstantial, to prove it. But the circumstantial evidence weighs heavily in the favor of this theory, does it not?

 

The problem is that these are great reasons to go to war, and if you go to war for these reasons you cannot say that these are the reasons or else you can never control Iraq. The government has to lie, but such lying is incompatible with democracy.

It's certainly is one of the failings of democracy. If the guys in charge are going to take it upon themselves to decide the right course of action, they at least have the responsibility to make sure they plan the action well and do everything they can to make sure it turns out as expected. But so far it looks like the Bush administration has fool themselves as well as America.

 

If you're so right, then why isn't gas 25 cent a gallon over here now? And why is the Euro still worth $1.20 and the pound sterling still worth $1.75?

Because you're wrong.

 

Because we are not getting oil out of Iraq at the moment because of the insurgency (you've heard of them, right?). Besides, the oil isn't for now anyway. The oil is for when Arabia passes their production peak.

 

You forgot to add: for an imperialistic state.

It's not like God told that the oil must be under US control or that the dollar should remain the only world's reserve currency.

You really think most of iraqis (even the "friendly" shiites and kurds) don't know this?

 

Not that I am convinced it is the correct theory, but as has been basically pointed out the answer to your question is because so far the action is at best not complete/ at worst has been a failure. At least on the terms offered in this thread.

 

Which will happen when you decide that you are making your own reality.

Want to hear God laugh?-- make a plan. Want to hear God spew his chocolate milk out his nose and all over the kitchen table? Make your own reality...

 

Because Bush and the Texas oil cartel sadly "Missunderestimated" the situation. The cronies at halliburton are getting their share of the pot from their unopposed 'bid' for the work they do.

Do you really think that if they got all the oil they thought they were going to get, that you/we would see the difference in lower prices. Silly boy, they're not in it for you, they're in it to get what they can regardless who dies.
Lives and tax dollars are paying their way into bigger profits.....for them!

 

What have these exchange rates got to do with whether the dollar is the pre-eminent reserve currency?

 

why you old cynic you. Next you'll be suggesting that the huge profits to be made by the corporations whose owners shape Republican Party policy might have influenced the decision to go to war.

 

The US is not a "person". To understand why the US chose to invade Iraq, you have to study the various pressure groups who were promoting the idea in the first place. You have understand their motives, which are frankly not a secret.

This is not to suggest there was one motive that united them all. No. They were all united by a common tactical objective: takeover Iraq! For some, preoccupied with Israel, that project had one significance. For others, preoccupied with finding a new project to retain the loss of money and influence after the cold war for themselves or industry, the real motive was something else. And, for others still, there were strategic considerations relating to controlling the world's energy supplies and making sure no adverse party would have power to harm the US economy by controlling those resources and the dollar trade in them instead.

The "neocon" ideology basically gave cover for all these different and divergent interest groups. The basic of that ideology was to take the US on an imperialistic adventure. The end post read US domination of the region. Iraq was one tactical stop on a longer road.

The rest, about WMDs, terrorism, and the whole bit, were more diversions than explanations of what had made these folks interested in the project.

 

We should have taken over Iran instead.

 

If the objective was to take Iraqi oil as are own we could have done it any time we wanted even with the insurgency. If I was president I would have taken all their oil out of there stinking ground.

 

Here we go. Our Iranian Energizer Bunny... it keeps going and going and going...

 

I think IM overestimates greatly the power and influence the likudniks had and have in the US admin yet this ppl exists.
(let's name them this way, "proisraeli hardliner neocons tied to the likud party" is too long)

For the 1000th time.
http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

Reading again the strategy i found something interesting

 

Different groups with influence had different agendas. That was the point I made in my post. The overarching "plan" that met all those agendas was the one to take America on an imperial mention, as described in the PNAC.

As I have suggested many times, the Likudniks were only a part of this equation -- albeit at a critical time, an important one. Personally, I have long suspected, and suggested, that the Likudniks were going to be used and then discarded, since the wing of the Republican party in which they set up tent (and among groups they have done so) is actually the one you find latent and sometimes overt anti-semitism. Even among those who might be called Christian Zionists.

Incidentally, I believe this passage from the Clean Break is also interesting, as it tries to explain how the agenda of Israel can find new friends in quarters that ordinarily don't give a hoot about Israel per se.

 

I think the real reason for the invasion was it would be a show of strength and IT WOULD BE EASY.

 

You are all wrong. The real reasons why US invaded Iraq was the president's daddy told him so. It's an act of winning daddy's approval.

 

Succinctly put! Mel has a nice link and thread started on just that.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0715-13.htm

 

That was going to be my question...

 

Because it creates an artificial demand for the US dollar resulting in a higher value than would be expected based on normal economic criteria. That said, the dollar is in fact higher that one would expect for an economy that requires well over half a trillion dollars in foreign credit per year.

 

"Likudnik" is ridiculious for a several reasons, the most important being that they hold a variety of foreign policy positions that do not relate to Israel. Furthermore, they support positions that are in sharp contrast to Likud, including cutting American aid to Israel and preventing Israel from having good relations with China.