The Razing of Falljua begins

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by JohnnyCash, Nov 5, 2004.

  1. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
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    Ok, you read. It's easy. I said that you are advocating we should have invaded eventually. NOT that you think we would have or not given the circumstances.

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    basic stuff here
     
  2. dj43

    dj43 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Nor Cal
    I can see YOU haven't read the Duelfer report.
     
  3. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    Well, I read the real one, but no, I didn't read that you and George Bush read.
     
  4. dj43

    dj43 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Nor Cal
    Then you must have skipped over that part that said that Saddam was waiting for things to cool down so he could get back into the arms game.
     
  5. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas

    says who ?













    ....you don't count...
     
  6. speedcake

    speedcake Member

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    A guy playing the waiting game somehow trumped several guys already wallowing in the joy that is to possess weapons of mass destruction?

    It's like old times in this thread with all the hokey arguments for going to war in Iraq being bandied about. I shed a tear for nostalgia.
     
  7. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas

    you cannot seriously believe that if saddam had eventually aquired the nuclear capability of say, france he wouldn't use them against anyone he could ? he is out of the equation and the world is a better place as a result. Anyone who fails to see this is living in la-la land.
     
  8. speedcake

    speedcake Member

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    You got some window into Saddam's head? Were you at any time privy to his most inner desires? His most dastardly plans for world domination? Surely you must have been, as it seems a prerequisite for the power to proclaim anyone who disagrees with you to be living in la-la land.
     
  9. dj43

    dj43 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Nor Cal
    Notice. I didn't say this justified going to war in and of itself.
     
  10. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    I guess I was privy to the same window you were...seems I recall him invading Iran at the cost of 100's of 1000's of lives....( were you bitching then ?) then invading Kuwait...I guess you think he had somehow changed his spots ?...he guy had a HISTORY son and I for one have learned from history...without question you are not only in la-la land...you obviously belong there...
     
  11. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

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    Since 1776.

    At least you don't deny the cost in innocent blood for this wat like many in here.




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  12. speedcake

    speedcake Member

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    Look, save your "son" bullsh!t for your kids.

    This war didn't have to happen when it did, how it did and nothing you can ever say will prove that it had to happen.
     
  13. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas

    sorry son...but you are dead wrong...just like you would be if you were a hostage in bagdad...what, you think they would cut your head off quicker because you were against the war ? These f--ks LIVE for your destruction and the only thing they understand is force...and thats what they are going to get...
     
  14. speedcake

    speedcake Member

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    Seriously, stick the "son" sh!t up your butthole.

    Somehow you've come back to the situation at hand, which is good, as that is the subject of the thread. I guess you missed where I argued for invading Falluja. I'm glad we agree.
     
  15. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
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    I saw these reports and I have to question the accuracy. They don’t seem to jive with the news reports coming out of Iraq. 100,000 deaths equates to 188 civilian deaths every day.
     
  16. speedcake

    speedcake Member

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    It does seem like an aweful lot.
     
  17. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Then it would have been the Bush administrations fault for not paying attention to him, like AQ before 9/11 and after Tora Bora, and keeping him weaponless, yes sanctions had made him weaponless(WMD).

    Bush could have threatened Saddam with force, check

    Forced him to let weapons inspectors back in, check

    Made him give full access letting the weapons inspectors find out that he had no weapons, doh

    Tell Saddam that if he didn't want to get invaded he would have to agree to having weapons inspectors in his country forever and if he restricted their access a bunker buster will be coming his way. Thus providing a clear legal justification for an invasion and helping placate and convince allies, nope
     
  18. 352klr

    352klr Member+

    Jan 29, 2001
    The Burgh of Edin

    The November 6-12th issue of The Economist has two articles about the varrying civilian casualty reports coming out of Iraq. The report by The Lancet that gives the 100,000 figure comes from random sampling extrapolated from just 73 actual deaths.
     
  19. dj43

    dj43 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Nor Cal
    The 17 UN resolutions covered all of your suggestions but Saddam didn't comply. The fact that he didn't have weapon systems that EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE UN, thought he had, was never a serious consideration because the acted guilty as heck[b/].

    Right now in California we have a very similar situation going on in the Scott Peterson trial. He may, in fact, be innocent but he ACTED VERY GUILTY. Hence, 80% of the people around here think he did it.

    That is what makes all of this hindsight judgement questionable. All Saddam had to do was provide records to the destruction of weapon systems everyone knew he had back in the early '90s. He should have provided access to all the sites as required by the '91 peace treaty and UN resolutions. But NO! He stalled. He acted like he had all the things that everyone thought he had. Then came 9/11/

    But then this stuff has been covered ad nauseum...
     
  20. Coach_McGuirk

    Coach_McGuirk New Member

    Apr 30, 2002
    Between the Pipes
    But I do recall the Iraqi government plotting to knock off our Commander-in-Chief.
     
  21. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    Yeah, what was that about? It wasn't like we invaded their nation, destroyed their military, cause a civil war to take place, place trade embargos, or constantly fly military aircraft over his nation or anything.
     
  22. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    This is very fascinating. I didn't know any of this.

    So, what did the UN decide to do?
     
  23. dj43

    dj43 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Nor Cal
    I'm sure you know the answer but I'll play:

    the answer is - NOTHING.
     
  24. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    Your memory isn't the best, seems like all this was in response to saddams invasion of kuwait and at least 40 other countries were in that particular coalition ( including the french)...or do you believe he should have been left alone in kuwait ?...who would have been next ? the saudi's ?....saddam killed tens of thousands in his misguided adventures including (but not limited to) iranians, kuwaities, kurds and his own people who weren't kurds.
     
  25. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas

    stick their heads up their collective asses....do you perhaps have french blood ?
     

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