The Questionable Offspring of MLS Rumors Superthread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Ismitje, Dec 25, 2007.

  1. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    You know, we can all get giddy about these deals and incoming talent. But the proof is in the performance on the field.

    It's too early to say for sure, but my personal take is that we'll bomb out of the CCC early and start the season slowly. We will miss Olsen a lot--the least of the value he provides this team is being an outside right mid. The entire team is being remade and so not only is there an issue of cohesion but team culture and clubhouse atmosphere. We took it for granted that United is a team that works hard, plays with pride and doesn't quit. But with the roster remake, there is no telling what kind of team culture we'll end up with. Finally, I think a lot of our new incoming talent will tend to take MLS just a little bit lightly--which is natural. That's not an issue when you only have one guy coming in. But realistically, we're likely to start 5-6 new players come opening day--guys brand new to the team. And we're likely to have 7-9 guys starting on opening day who weren't considered likely starters on opening day in 2007. Good for the front office. But that doesn't mean a lot if we don't get it done on the field.
     
  2. The Cold Sea

    The Cold Sea Señor Mejor

    Feb 17, 2005
    The District
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I'll take that bet. How early? Like Harbor View early?

    I would be red faced pissed if we bombed out of CCC because so many of these moves are for that tournament....plus we either have or would have every second leg of the CCC at home. That's the luck of the draw that we cannot let slip by.
     
  3. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, you may "get something" for Needham but it wont be anything worth a salt.

    As for Kirk i find it a bunch of crap that Kirk is the same age or older than Jozy and has played in a similar amount of MLS games since he's been in the league and he's still GA and Jozy isn't.

    And don't take my compliment of their apporach as suggesting they are all that, their moves could end up being really bad, i was just commenting on the timing and preperation of the moves.
     
  4. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    33 games over three seasons (most as a sub) isn't really on par with Altidore.

    http://web.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t106&player=kirk_q&playerId=kir349214&statType=career
     
  5. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    And if NY signs Ricky Schram, they'll owe us something as well.

    However, I doubt either deal would amount to much more than a couple of low or supplemental picks.
     
  6. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
  7. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Chivas has Nagamura, Marsch, and just signed Wicky. How exactly would Fielhaber fit for them?
     
  8. MarkRFC_

    MarkRFC_ New Member

    Oct 21, 2007
    Reading, England
    Plus Chivas don't have a DP slot
     
  9. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jozy has about the same over two seasons split between starting and sub apperances. Both we US youth team internationals. Sure Jozy "has made it" considering his hype and skills and Kirk hasn't, but there really needs to be some guidlines on this program....in fact does anyone even know for sure who has graduated and who hasn't?
     
  10. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    It's based on minutes played, so a GA player who becomes a regular starter would graduate sooner than a player who has been around for a few years but rarely gets any playing time.
     
  11. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    1. I don't think it's accurate to say we constructed our team for CCC. That's just one of several tournaments: SuperLiga and Concacaf Champions League are two others that I think DCU is taking very seriously in terms of international play.

    2. Officially, if we beat Harbor View and lose in the next round it will be identical to last season. But last season (to me) was a strong performance. We weren't as deep at the time, Olimpia was a tougher initial matchup and it was no shame to lose to Chivas.

    I guess the sense I get (and it's just a sense--I haven't even seen the current team play as a team and they certainly haven't played in a meaningful game) is that we're not likely to be as focused, in shape, sharp and hard-working as we have been in past seasons. And I think that will show in CCC and perhaps the first month or so of MLS. I think we've got great talent. But I question how good the TEAM is and that remains to be seen--it hasn't been determined yet.
     
  12. churchill2000

    churchill2000 3x MLS Cup Champions

    Jul 12, 2004
    Monde Virtuel
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
  13. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fox Soccer reports that Dutch/DR Congo left-sided midfielder, Kiki Musampa, formerly with AZ Alkmaar, is in Toronto FC's camp as a trialist.
     
  14. Huwiler's Odoreaters

    Apr 10, 2007
    :rolleyes: If they ask for anything at all, Schramm won't even get a pitiful developmental contract. He's not in the least bit a commodity. Any price is too high a price.

    This isn't a repeat of the Needham situation, where a player turned down a developmental deal for USL1. Schramm didn't even get a minimal contract offer from DC. He was cut from training camp and played USL2 before moving back home to live with his parents in Westchester.

    I'm actually surprised that DC might still have the rights to him, as he was actually cut from the team before a contract could be tendered. This isn't potential value that DC needs to exploit, and if they do still have the rights to a player they rejected, to ask for anything in return for allowing him to pursue a paycheck that will barely cover gasoline and the tolls for the GW Bridge would be not only greedy, but malicious as it'll just mean the kid will be told that he's not worth the price to be a practice signing.
     
  15. nobius

    nobius BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 3, 2006
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Dynamo look to sign a South American soon:

     
  16. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
  17. Offebacher

    Offebacher Member

    May 14, 2006
    Houston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. SweetOwnGoal

    SweetOwnGoal Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    11.9986 km from BMO Field
    Club:
    Toronto FC
  19. SweetOwnGoal

    SweetOwnGoal Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    11.9986 km from BMO Field
    Club:
    Toronto FC
  20. SixKick

    SixKick Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2000
    Chicago
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
  21. pbsharp

    pbsharp Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    Troy, MI
    As reported by Freedman on SI and discussed on the SJ'Quakes board:

    "GM John Doyle ... told me the team is set to sign Argentine attacker Federico Arias this week."

    http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/155084

    Paul.
     
  22. Pereira_17

    Pereira_17 New Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    USA
    Montano is actually in a very tricky situation right now. He signed for two teams in Peru, was suspended by the league and is facing a defamation lawsuit by the team that didn't get him. He is pretty talented but don't know what kind of problems the legal issues will present.
     
  23. SweetOwnGoal

    SweetOwnGoal Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    11.9986 km from BMO Field
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    The trial is now confirmed by the Globe and Mail:

    http://www.globesports.com/servlet/...-exhibition-16/GSStory/GlobeSportsSoccer/home

    You're right...there is some question of whether he's even eligible to play in MLS (or anywhere for the next six months). Toronto kind of needs to roll the dice a bit, so it could be a worthwhile risk for Mo's crew...
     
  24. PhantomTollbooth

    PhantomTollbooth New Member

    Jul 20, 2004
    Appleton, WI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Two possible incoming from Queensland Roar:


    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23235346-10389,00.html

    and

     
  25. Hierarchyfive

    Hierarchyfive Member

    Sep 17, 2005
    Portland
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ^^So now MLS has to compete with MLB teams. They really should look into raising the salary cap in light of this new competition.:rolleyes:
     

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