This is why Klopp is important. Someone who isn’t afraid to tell both club and players and has a firm idea on how his teams play. Mbappe will benefit clear instructions on his role in the team.
Great watch on what is exactly being gained and is being lost by playing Mbappe along with relevant stats to back it up.
Most non-penalty goals in La Liga this season: 1.Muriqi: 16 2. Mbappe 15 3. Lamine Yamal: 12 4: Ferran Torres: 14 5. Robert Lewandowski: 11. Its worse than that, guy playing 17th place team has more goals than him from open play and he earning how much ?? and this is him at he prime age..
Everyone beside Perez and JAS understands the experiment failed. The question is who should leave, mbappe or vinnie? In all parameters mbappe is a better player and brings more value to this team.
Why would Mbappe give a shit about what Klopp wants from him? He will just wave him off and tell him he won the WC and look at his stats. Klopp wants forwards to press anyway. Unless its a full direct counterattack, he barely makes runs for someone to pass him to.
I guess you didn’t see my other post. when Mbappe first arrived he was running consistently off ball and trying to play quick 1-2. That evaporated when you make run after run and no one passes to you or you don’t get the return pass.
This is all in your head. From the beginning he kept dropping left whenever we had the ball which always makes the guy you hate (Vini) look redundant. It's why people say they don't work together; however they would work together if Mbappe improved his positioning and off-ball movement. Before you go on a rant about the guy you hate.. explain to us why Mbappe loved to take the center position up-field when we don't have the ball, yet as soon as we win it back if he isn't receiving an immediate through ball he is dropping deep left while we are moving quickly forward? Explain how that helps any team even one without the player you hate? Maybe then you will have an answer for why his teams have struggled (PSG, France and Madrid) since he has developed this behavior.
He's right, and you both can be. When Mbappé first arrived he was very lively. Constantly playing short passes and looking to make runs. But we would never make the pass and he just gave up. With that said, doesn't mean his positional awareness was up there. Yes he was drifting wide etc. Mbappé is an issue at Real Madrid as he's not filling that role we need (same way a mediocre player like Joselu could be a success here, we just need someone in the box). But, that doesn't mean the players around him are not falling way short.
I have never said others aren't performing at optimum or with consistency. What we're discussing is why Mbappe seems to not work with Vinicius and that guy hates Vinicius so any kind of rationale discussion is just blame game. The reality is the reason it's not clicking is actually one thing; what Mbappe is doing without the ball. Everything else has been consistent inconsistent as it always has but as you can see we still get results this way. Henry has said it. So has many others. The guy needs to stop dropping when we are going forward. He needs to manage his runs from up the pitch and stop trying to drop into space deep to get the ball to make something happen. He also (as Vinicius) needs to be clinical with chances. He was that the first half of the season... now? He has been horrendous
the point of view I see Mbappe is more dependent on others to get those passes when he makes a run or play the 1/2. He’s playing out of position to get involved. How is he going to trust now, with Vibes FC if he does the runs he will get the ball? This was why he was looking better under Xabi, because of the tactics and discipline. He even came out and said as much. I’m sure if Mbappe held central and didn’t drop in, he’d be accused of being a ghost on the pitch. Which he had been in his first season. we can agree to disagree agree here, we’re debating which came first the chicken or the egg.
I think it wrong argument. Mbappe is an excellent player, but did we had to have this long crusade to bring him here? We needed strengthen other positions badly, but we chose to get another superstar instead. Football is a team game, no matter how good you are, you need a team to win the game, balanced team, and we are no way balanced team right now.
I can't completely disagree with this, but, is balance our issue? This is the below squad that won the 2024 Champions League final. Kroos is the only notable absentee here and I don't think he's as much of a difference maker as people say. In other words, him not being here isn't the reason we are playing so shit right now. It's the attitude of the players for me. Something just seems wrong behind the scenes.
I agree completely. It's why we had success with Brahim partnering Vinicius and Tchou, Fede, etc.. as workers behind them. Even looking at that 2024 team it's why we had success. We need everyone that does their specific role and if you don't you have to be special and CONSISTENTLY. Now we have people trashing Jude, Fede, Tchou, Vini, etc as if these guys aren't proven winners; they are. The same way they trashed Carlo who was again a proven winner. What we lacked last year and the beginning of this season in midfield Arbeloa sorted with the addition of Thiago to the lineup. The issue is we are giving workrate (Rodrygo, Brahim) up for explosive scoring brilliance (Mbappe) however when he is missing and not scoring we suffer greatly. It's very simple. The guy needs to get it through his skull that he has to use that speed and explosiveness at the opponent backline and not from inside. Mbappe needs to take that next step of growth as a player.
Whoever gave the talk to Ronaldo needs to sit mbappe down and give him the talk of changing his game from a winger to a striker. It will only help him in the long run. Just point to his idol Ronaldo or even Benz. In Madrid great players usually take the next step in their careers and he has to realize this at some point. Dribbling brownie points don't count here. Yes he has scored goals already but everyone can see there is a hole in the box when we attack, a player is always missing there.
I dunno if Mbappe has it in him to change his ways. The guy doesnt even jump most of the time for aerial balls. He has so many holes in his game despite being so talented. Its pretty telling on how a single point of failure would collapse the whole team system.
Well that's what we've done with Mbappe since he came here. Not a surprise the guy who has played LW most of his life is not positioning himself well as a #9. What we need is a manager with the backing of the board to impose himself and tell them where to play, pulling them off when the don't play as they are told, instead of just complimenting them and hoping for Vibes FC to win us games. There's a clip of Benzema describing how Mourinho would be yelling at him to press and if he didn't, would have Higuain start warming up in the fifth minute, with Benzema saying that a had a huge effect on him, for the better.
Difference being Mbappe likes playing in the middle because he thinks hes recreating the Cristiano/Henry career arc (and also gets to run less while scoring the same amount of goals)
Why don't we swap Vini's and Mbappe's positions. Therefore allowing Mbappe to play in the position he's played most of his career, and then judge his fit in this team.
Again, that narrative is only in your head. The entire reason we have a problem in the first place is because Mbappe always drifts to his preferred LW, to the point that him and Vini are on top of each other.