You speak like a child. If you don't like him that is absolutely OK. But you're trying to convince the world that it's about football when it clearly isn't.
Shouting at young players because they didnt pass him the ball once out of 10 times is terrible leadership and terrible leadership factors a lot into not playing good and winning football. It also destroys the confidence of young players and therefore hampers their development. But tell me more how "he scores goals so theres no problem" is the mature way of thinking. Such adult analysis.
Yeah Mbappe is scoring but other than that he's not been great neither on the "leadership" aspect nor on helping the team any other way like pressing or passing and moving etc. Still though I'm not going to pretend he's the problem or that we don't need his goals. It's a strange situation because on one hand how can you criticize someone that scores in this volume on a team that can't score but at the same time, I'd rather have a team that 4-5 players score 10-15 goals each and that was happening before him. I'm really confused on the Mbappe situation.
Great attackers alongside Ronaldo was also scoring well. When Benz hit a slump for two seasons, blame shouldn't be on his consistently scoring teammate. Benz got out of it. Let's see if Vini can or will follow the path of Dinho and co.
This place has fond memories for a player that performed attempted manslaughter on the field. Give me a break with the leadership stuff.
*involuntary Point remains that Pepe missed Casqueros head by inches, that could have landed him a prison sentence on the spot, and considering the force applied and the potential result. Meanwhile he's held up as a legend and some kind of great guy. If we can praise a guy that kicked our current coach, we can surely be flexible. We've had plenty of losers playing for winning teams that masked their lack of personality behind great results.
I love watching people defend Mbappe for the same things that they criticize Vinicius for. Makes me think that some fans here starting "supporting" the team when we signed all those galacticos. The big players. They idolise them. They want Haaland next of course. They shit on our young signings continually and want to ship them out for the "new toy" every summer.
You're talking to people that have been on this website for over 20 years. This club is 80% freeloaders and fairweather fans just like every other big club.
This is true; most support them simply as an extension of their egos. Hence why they don't mind sacrificing long-term success for short-term trophies.
The Mbappe stans and their quest for Pichichis and the Balon d'Or are a plague and stain on the club but despite the distractions the club is and always was more than one player, let him be sold to the highest biddeer as it becomes clearer with each games he misses how much better the team plays without him or let him continue knowing his place is not at the top of the list of this clubs GOATS.
The worst off-the-ball work rate in all of Europe. If Luis Enrique wasn't able to get this guy to run and press with even Michael Jordan motivational speeches then no one will. Arbeloa has the hardest job in the world. Fuk man at least offfensively occupy the CBs or do something that helps create space for your team-mates. We are tired of it. We want to play as a team and not just for one player.
We are trolls because we are asking for the highest paid player in the squad to work and press? Shit at least don't have the worst off-the-ball workrate in all of Europe. At least not that. We are not asking for much.
Look, i do not doubt Mbape is the best player in the world. He scores a lot of goals for us and thats seems like why he is the most important player in our team. However, we sacrifice a lot to accommodate him as a team, playing players out of position, just to let him play where he wants and how he wants. I think it hurts the team overall, someone else will score those goals. From team perspective, i think its more cons than pros having him here.
Someone in the most recent match thread put it best - without Mbappé, the goals are just shared with the wider team. He scores goals, that's his job. It was always going to be the case that the likes of Bellingham and Vini are going to score less with Mbappé in the team. He's doing what he needs to do. He's scoring great, game-winning goals which is always a good sign of a great player. For me though, it won't be fcuk all until we have a good run of 2/3 La Liga and or Champions League trophies in the next 5 years. Otherwise, it just won't feel anywhere near worth the drama, years of chasing, salary etc.
How did missing Mbappe help us against Albacete? We literally lost against a team that plays in front of 500 people while "sharing the ball and playing team oriented". "We won a game without Mbappe = proves we are playing better without him", shame that theory freaking sucks when you see that we've lost multiple games without him as well.
Exactly; we have better evidence that we play better without Jude Bellingham. We played better whenever he's been out injured; whether now or earlier on in the season.
We also have evidence of Jude playing well in other games, I just think like with any issue we have, we're looking for a single switch that will fix everything when the truth is a bit more complicated than that.
The sample size is too small to conclude if we play better without so and so player. Both Jude and Mbappe are worldclass, you always want them in your team. But I agree with those who find it irritating when people think we will be hitting blanks without him because he scores all the goals. We will always score goals whether that is with or without Mbappe. We have scored 16 goals in 5 games without him. Trust me goals isnt our problem. Our problem is shipping 4 goals against the likes of Benfica, or 3 goals against Albacete amongst other embarrassing losses this season of which there are plenty, that is unacceptable. You'll never win CL by outscoring other teams while conceding multiple goals. Ask Barca who are experts at outscoring their opponents while shipping in goals left and right. That shit might work in the league as we always manage to outshit them but in the CL you need to be alot more solid at the back to have a chance.
Valid point about Jude even though I'm a big fan. It might be impossible to field Jude, Vini and Mbappe at the same time. I'm not sure it works. At least we haven't seen it yet.
Its obviously a squad construction issue at the end of the day. Either the club builds a team catering specifically to Mbappe or the the club should have not signed him at all. They didn't do either, hence the fluidity and consistency problems.
I didn't see Mbappe causing Vini to miss several 1v1 chances for many months, shooting skyers like a throwback to his first three seasons at RM. Same with Rodrygo shooting straight at GKs from second half of last season while he is a good finisher when he hits the purple patch. Mbappe is a great finisher and Jude is pretty good as well.