The Prince That Was Promised - Bienvenue Kylian Mbappé

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  1. libertao

    libertao Member+

    Mar 15, 2006
    You are completely, factually, objectively wrong. I don't know how else to put it.
     
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  2. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
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    Wow you quoted the part that was in parenthesis (a mere notation).


    Fact of the matter is the team is on the verge of setting the single season penalties record, Kylian is the designated penalty kick taker and it's barely February.



    No matter how you try to spin it the stats say Kylian Mbappe scores a disproportionate amount of his goals from penalties this season (a time when Real Madrid is in dissaray due to the lack of cohesive play and team spirit brought about by the introduction of one person into the dressing room).
     
  3. libertao

    libertao Member+

    Mar 15, 2006
    Yes, one that was flatly untrue.

    I genuinely don't understand your point. Should he be converting fewer penalties? Draw fewer penalties? Abdicate from his role as designated penalty taker? Or are you saying he does not score enough goals from open play? Because it looks like he is ahead of everyone else in Europe other than a few behind Kane/Haaland.
     
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  4. Nathanial Essex

    Nathanial Essex Member+

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    Mar 19, 2017
    If everyone else around him improved parts of their game, we would be top of the league and probably favourites for the Champions League.
     
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  5. undertow

    undertow Member

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    Nov 22, 2020
    Our CL record since Mbappe arrived at Real Madrid....

    13 wins 9 losses

    Can someone explain to me what is the point of all those goals? It's completely normal that fans are starting to resent this signing. He was not needed.
     
  6. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Jupiter
    Because football isn't played by one player RMRules.
     
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  7. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Hilarious claim that huge disparity in goals is because "Mbappe takes 99% shots". Vini takes his fair share while not even hitting the target most of the time.
     
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  8. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    Kylian piles up the goals, while Vini delivers golazos and is the team’s main creative spark. Let those two be. The issue lies with some of the others in the team.
     
  9. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    David Villa is shoulder to shoulder with Mario Kempes, top 5 Valencia goal scorer all time and he didn't even start his career there. He played alongside another all time great in David Silva, didn't win any major trophies.

    He's still one of the best strikers in spanish football history.

    I just think most fans don't understand what they are watching and follow the sport from a soap opera angle. A new character was introduced to the show, hm, i don't quite like him, so let's say that he's the reason why the writing got sloppy and there's continuity issues all over the place making the show worse.

    You'd think Real Madrid fans would understand the concept of great players being on bad teams considering buying those (Bellingham for example) is all this club is doing at times.
     
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  10. Doni

    Doni Member+

    Dec 4, 2010
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    Man Valencia had such incredible teams from when I started following football and Real Madrid.

    From the team with Aimar, Vicente, Baraja, Mista, to the one with Villa, Silva, Joaquin etc.

    La Liga needs these types of teams back.

    The team in early 2000s with Mendieta, Killy, Aimar, Carew, Angulo etc. being probably even better.
     
  11. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    David Silva is one of the most satisfying to watch football players ever. Wonderful player.
     
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  12. Doni

    Doni Member+

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    Silva was sick.

    My personal favourite was David Villa, phenomenal player.
     
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  13. MiamiNative0722

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    #5138 MiamiNative0722, Feb 10, 2026
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2026
    Mbappe will go down as one of the best finishers of all time, but there are consequences to everyone. To pretend it's just "soap opera" watching without extrapolating is unmerited snobbery.

    A year and a half in, it's safe to say his play off the ball both offensively and defensively tactically determines a lot.

    Offensively off the ball, he doesn't make runs in the box, thereby diminishing any purpose of crossing from wide or even delivering through balls across goal from the end line. Defensively off the ball, without any consistent pressure, any type of high press will far apart because there will always be a man open. In his best stage, the World Cups of 2018 and 2022, despite all the talent France has had in those cycles, they excelled under Deschamps because they played scrappy, in a mid to low block, and on the counter. He seems to work better with attackers that do his dirty work (Giroud, Thuram), rather than with talented wingers (Vinicius, Neymar).

    He is sublime at scoring, and scoring is the most important part of the sport, but he needs a team tactically built to work for him. His individual cost benefit analysis is obviously enormously in the positive, but his presence alone does affect the cost benefit analysis of other players and profiles.
     
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  14. petros93

    petros93 Member+

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    May 27, 2017
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    And don't forget our own Morientes in that team with Villa, Silva, Joakin, Albelda etc. I really liked that Toyota-kit Valencia team.
     
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  15. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    We just don't have a good enough team around him to make the most of his goals. That's the brutal truth. Dortmund had Lewandowski record absolutely obscene numbers for them and they still didn't win the CL, and the player went on to join a situation where he could actually achieve all his goals.

    We're looking for complicated solutions to pretty easy questions.

    Other than Courtois and Mbappe, not a single Real Madrid player is in my best 11 of the sport right now. Possibly not even on the bench of such a team.
     
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  16. libertao

    libertao Member+

    Mar 15, 2006
    You say that like 2/11 is terrible -- what club has three players? Unless you are overly weighting PSG's CL victory.
     
  17. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    It depends on what you consider positions of value. You could argue that you can do without the greatest striker and goalkeeper on your team if you have the best midfield.
     
  18. Hendrix22

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    Feb 28, 2010
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    People always come around eventually. Mbappe is the Russell Westbrook of football. With the additional value of "leadership", demonstrated through bitching at the youngest members of the squad for not passing him the ball despite having wasted 99 percent of his actions through bad decision making and touches.

    Hes an absolutely insufferable prick. The cost benefit analysis is far from "enormously in the positive", its barely positive at best.
     
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  19. fierro

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    I would take Lunin over Courtois due to his ability to distribute with his feet and help the team build up from the back which it is overal better equipped to do with Huijsen and Carreras instead of Mendy and Rudiger.

    One of the big mistakes Xabi made in my book. If he wanted the team to build from the back and spent a fortune on defenders to do that - then Lunin was obviously the best pick for GK to make the whole thing work.





    Given the absolute Galaxy of stars available in player like Vini, Jude, Fed, etc, who would all benefit from an perform better with a proper #9/CF - I would also not inlcude Mbappe in my best 11, at least not as a CF. On the other hand does anybody really believe he would willing to play as a wingman putting in crosses for someone else to score the goals. Nobody believes Mbappe would do that.


    This team could be so much better with those two changes which would immediately improve the performances of the team overall making it nearly unstoppable but many people don't want an unstoppable team that wins titles, they want Mbappe to win the Golden Boot and the Balon d'Or and that's the priority and they want to tell us how great Courtois is because he was critical of Carlo
     
  20. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Mbappe consistently scores goals which is most crucial for a striker.

    Over stressing stuff like he doesn't make enough runs into the box about a guy who will easily score 50 this season while we have purple patch starting attackers who score once or twice in 3 months, zero midfielder who can control tempo of the game and be press resistant and two inexperienced starting CBs is just scapegoating our only outfield player who's been world class for last 1.5 seasons.

    Does he need 60-65 goals per season making all those imaginary runs for this team to finish ahead of Barca? What's the purpose of other attackers in this team then?
     
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  21. Galatico

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    Aug 15, 2019
    Without his goals there are a lot of people (players/board) who's heads would be on the chopping block.

    Like I said before, there are guys in this team who should be giving him a chunk of their salary.
     
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  22. Doni

    Doni Member+

    Dec 4, 2010
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    Indeed, Barcelona have Lewa, Yamal, Torres all on 10+ league goals and Raphina isn’t far.
     
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  23. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
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    Because Lewa is able to do just a good enough job of holdup and linkup play it opens things up for all the other players and leaves defenses guessing which way to go.


    With the way our team is set up to play defenses know the every play the whole game is going to end with Mbappe getting his chance to shoot and score, so as long as you can limit him there's no real strategical risk that another player will score.


    Sure Mbappe gets his goals because he gets all the good chances but the team suffers to compensate for it in the end because he doesn't open things up for others to at least be a threat.
     
  24. rhexis07

    rhexis07 Member+

    Jan 24, 2007
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    Joaquin was such a cool player
     
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  25. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Rashford is basically having a better season than anybody on our team other than Mbappe and he goes head to head shoulder to shoulder with Vini right now.
     
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