Post-match: The Post Presidency :: Trump Faces The Music Thread

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  1. yossarian

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    The other judge wouldn't review the stuff she's done in the docs case because that's not before him/her. Plus, one of the things that one can't argue in a motion to recuse a judge is that the judge issued X, Y, and Z rulings against me----or in this case, the judge rendered X, Y, and Z rulings in favor of Trump. IOW, the bias/prejudice has to stem from something extra-judicial, like a social relationship or a former working relationship, etc.
     
  2. diablodelsol

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    Ok…I’ll have to go read the guys recusal motion because i assumed (wrongfully apparently) that the bias he alleges was her actions in other case. Regardless…my original point that initiated this tangent still stands…this ws pretty much he’s only option. Cause any bias alleged here would also apply in the docs case, no?
     
  3. yossarian

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    As I read it, he argues that Orange Shit-stain's over the top praise of her rulings (not the propriety of those rulings themselves) in the docs case creates a perception that she favors him. That's different than unequivocally arguing she does favor him. In fact, the defendant argues he assumes she has no actual bias but the perception of bias here is enough to warrant recusal.

    I don't think it's the best motion, even with the interesting point that it's an unprecedented situation to preside over a case in which the president who appointed you is the victim of a crime. Nevertheless, I still think she should have had another judge review it. And assuming that's an option in federal cases, that wouldn't necessarily be evidence to warrant her recusal in the docs case. It just would be considered prudent. But I will say the federal recusal statute seems a bit more loosey goosey as far as its requirements.
     
  4. Sounders78

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    And now for something completely different.

    I've heard snippets of the Joe Rogan interview with the orange felon, but I never heard this one. Go to 7.10 and listen for about 15 seconds. It literally made me laugh out loud - he talks about what he wants to be :ROFLMAO:.

     
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  5. Naughtius Maximus

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    Well, the victim of one and the defendant in another, (the doc's case), in which you found in his favour. In all honesty the idea of being a judge in cases where the guy that gave you the 'judging' gig is a bit rum, tbh.

    The fact Trump's now got her on the shortlist for being AG, ('dangling that job in front of her', as that guy says), makes it worse.
     
  6. yossarian

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    Right. But as I said legal rulings for or against someone within a case are not usually considered in a recusal motion and you can logically see why. You'd have defendants filing recusal motions every time a judge sustained an objection against them or made an evidentiary ruling against them. And I agree with you about the "giving you a job part" but unfortunately that's only a consideration as opposed to an ironclad "you're recused."

    And the very last part, especially that it's been bandied about in public, is one of the strongest arguments this defendant could make for recusal.
     
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  7. Naughtius Maximus

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    I think the problem as viewed from the outside is that, yes... we can ALL see the arguments as to why this all works as it does. As you say, obviously you can't have a defendant simply saying 'You're being mean to me which shows how biased you are'. I mean, judges are MEANT to be biased against people who break the the law. That's kinda the point of them being there in the first place.

    The problem is the amount of time it's taken us even to get to this point in many cases.

    The stormy Daniels thing was 2016. We're now in 2024. The insurrection stuff was 2020, that's 4 years ago. Some of Trump's fraud stuff dates back to years ago, sometimes well over a decade.

    As I say, viewed from outside it's like we're all in a bus careering towards a brick wall and the American legal and political system is the like the lawyer at the front arguing about whether the guy trying to grab the wheel and save us is unionized and has the correct public service vehicle classification of license.

    It's like this 1A stuff that allows people to say such and such should be murdered... then they're murdered and only THEN do we think, 'Oh, maybe someone should have done something about that'.

    I'm beginning to feel a bit like the doctor in this...



    I mean, yeah, I'm ranting at you and I know it's not your fault. I'm just saying, does NOBODY grasp the severity of the position we're all in? :(
     
  8. ElNaranja

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    Trans people do.

    Just got back from a conference where healthcare of minority populations was the topic and everyone, from federal staff to the grassroots folk doing fine work out of the trunks of their car, are worried that they'll be jobless or imprisoned should things go wrong next week.

    Gotta say, I don't blame any of them. It's wild that some of the folk just starting their federal career will be fired if he wins because they won't swear an oath of loyalty to him, rather than the people and constitution. And many there has some terrifying stories of violence in the past few years related to his rhetoric. And this is just "a heated election".

    Sigh.
     
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  9. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    LOL. If some MAGA jackoff comes into my workplace and insists I take an oath of loyalty to Trump, it will likely prove to be fatal. They seriously have no idea what is going to happen if they try to pull that shit.
     
  10. charlie15

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    This is brilliant...:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    LeBron has entered the chat

     
  12. ElNaranja

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    That's not how it would work. Your Boss would get replaced by a maga and you'd get e memo from HR stating you have to sign this paperwork to continue your employment. If you didn't, you would be let go. It would be impersonal.

    And you know if you leave, a real bad person will take your spot and do all sorts of insanity. If you don't leave, you'll be tagged as a maga helping the administration.
     
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  13. usscouse

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    9 men make up a firing squad.


    Arizona's top prosecutor investigating Trump's comments about Cheney as possible death threat
    During his Glendale appearance, Trump suggested his Republican critic should face 'nine barrels shooting at her.'
    Author: Brahm Resnik
    Published: 11:31 AM PDT November 1, 2024
    Updated: 11:36 AM PDT November 1, 2024
    PHOENIX — Arizona's top prosecutor tells 12News she is investigating whether Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump violated state law by making a "death threat" against former GOP Rep. Liz Cheney during remarks Thursday night at an event in Glendale.

    "I have already asked my criminal division chief to start looking at that statement, analyzing it for whether it qualifies as a death threat under Arizona's laws," Attorney General Mayes, a first-term Democrat, said during Friday's taping of "Sunday Square Off."
     
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  14. Auriaprottu

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    Why would you not just leave? If you kill anyone there, another MAGA will take his place and one will take yours, and you'll go to prison.

    This, too.
     
  15. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    It would be to encourage the others, LOL

    Just to be clear, I would not waste my life choking some MAGA chode to death over my job. Though after I give him the verbal afterburners he might wish he were. Believe me, I've dealt with Trump political appointees -- they are generally incompetent and easily intimidated.
     
  16. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    Except.... I AM HR
     
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  17. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

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    Strong Walter White vibe

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  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    If you want a president who gives microphone BJs...do I have the candidate for you

     
  19. celito

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    MASA - Make America Suck Again
     
  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    1852715421138403700 is not a valid tweet id
     
  21. superdave

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    Someone should set that visual to the Liz Phair song where she says “I will be your blow job queen.”
     
  22. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

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    Our grandchildren just won’t believe us about any of this.
     
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  23. Sounders78

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    Maybe by then it will be the norm. Think Idiocracy.
     
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  24. dapip

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  25. soccernutter

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    What a time to be alive!
     

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