Post-match: The Post Presidency :: Trump Faces The Music Thread

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  1. yossarian

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    Another week went by…
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    Why don't you try something like that and see if you get a visit from the Feds
     
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    Don’t hold your breath. The better odds are on a twister.
     
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    Right—there’s your answer.
     
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    Is it fascism yet?

     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    These guys are just literally admitting the crimes on TV

     
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    Chuck Todd is the one with the hard hitting interview!?!
     
  9. superdave

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    I like how Chuck just laughs at him
     
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    Two amazingly punchable faces
    (and I say this as a pacifist)

    That lawyer is a dipshit
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    If you can't convince Chuckles to bothsides something, you're losing.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    It's just so crazy how every story goes thru the Trumpian arc where he at first denies the crime then ends up saying he did it but so what

    What more does Bragg want now?

    Trump's lawyer literally admitted the whole crime on TV
     
  13. song219

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    It sounds like if Trump had gotten one of these lawyers you see on tv advertising about getting a Camp Lejeune settlement, he would be better off.
     
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  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Let's check in on My Pillow Guy

     
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    He's relapsed.
     
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    ETTD. Another sucker left in the dust by Donnie
     
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  18. Minnman

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    Thing is, “admitting the crimes on TV” or on Twitter or, hell, anywhere not under oath is irrelevant. I mean, it should be. There should be a political tidal wave that wipes out individuals who say unforgivable things publicly.

    But there isn’t. Sadly. Shockingly. In any event, it’s not substantive evidence in court, or so it would seem. Which is pretty much the only place where “admitting the crimes” holds any water whatsoever. But it never happens there.
     
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    #5894 The Jitty Slitter, Mar 29, 2023
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    i don’t think this is true. I listened to some prosecutors explain these may be damaging admissions.

    it is a complex area because of the hearsay rule of course.
     
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    #5895 The Jitty Slitter, Mar 29, 2023
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    @xtomx or @yossarian will know better than me if any hearsay exceptions might apply here but as a general rule, you can introduce statements where you are not using them to prove the truth of the matter stated

    This case is a bit confusing because Trump's defence appears to have changed. Back in the day he claimed he never paid Stormy rather he paid Cohen a retainer for legal fees. Cohen then went to jail because he pleaded guilty inter alia, to making 130K payment on behalf of Trump, then concealing the reimbursement as retained legal fees. At least part of the prosecution case appears to be that this is some form of felony conspiracy for example, to commit the federal crime of not declaring the payment as a campaign contribution (the payment was mis-declared as legal expenses - a non felony crime).

    Trump's new defence, at least in part, appears to be that he was extorted by Stormy, so paid her in order to protect his family - then misfiled the payment because reasons. So his TV lawyer admitted at least part of the crime.

    Why this could be bad is Trump has said different things about the payment over time.

    So you don't use the tv statement to try to prove the truth of the content - rather It seems to me the prosecution could at least try to show that Trump has made numerous inconsistent statements

    For example, the prosecution might be trying to prove Trump made statements to people about the payments, but not as to whether the statements were true - if that makes sense.
     
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  21. usscouse

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    Reading this thread made me think of that comment by Samuel Clemens. (I think)

    Everybody talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it.
     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    By chance i listened to Preet and Joyce Vance on the Stormy case today - I don't have a sub so only heard a short outtake but basically they talked about how Trump's lawyer is out there with his new defence admitting trump paid off Stormy, but that misreporting the payment was not done with fraudulent intent. Rather it's only internal bookkeeping and Trump was extorted.

    It's a dumb argument at best, but what is strange is the lawyer admits part of the factual basis of the crime, whereas in the last day or so, Trump repeated his claim that he does not know Stormy, did not have an affair with her, and didn't know about the payment. Errr....

    Subject to the law around out of court statements - this would appear to be an alarming dumb thing to do trump and his lawyer have opposite claims, one of which must be incorrect.
     
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  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Wonder if Georgia or feds stepping in. Some have been harping about NYC being 1st.
     
  25. Smurfquake

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    Sigh. The musicians are taking a break again so no music-facing will happen soon.

    But wait, what's this?



    Is that... hope? A faint light on the horizon? Allan Weisenberg, currently serving a very short sentence for whatever shenanigans they managed to get him on when he refused to flip on Trump before, is changing lawyers to non-Trump lawyers. Is this a prelude to a flip?

    Or is that light at the end of the tunnel the oncoming train?
     

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