Post-match: The Post Presidency :: Trump Faces The Music Thread

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  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Alito will base his opinion on the Nixon line "when a president does it, that means that it's not illegal"
     
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  2. yossarian

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    He won't.
     
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  3. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

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    My point stands.
     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Right. Owning Libs always a major consideration with Clarence.
     
  5. yossarian

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    I disagree. It already lost it. Thomas not recusing in this prospective case is much less egregious than him not recusing in the Jan. 6 communications/evidence case that he knew would involve his wife.
     
  6. xtomx

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    And, Alito will write that executing search warrants on the residences of former Presidents to retrieve stolen classified documents is not "deeply ingrained in our history and traditions," ignoring (of course) that no former president has required it.
     
  7. yossarian

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    Let's see if that originalist ************************ puts his money where his mouth is. The exclusionary rule certainly isn't originalist. So if Thomas stays true to his convictions......:rolleyes:......he'd rule that even if the FBI had no probable cause to search the residence, Trump's only remedy would be to file a writ of trespass requesting monetary compensation for the infringement, but nothing would prevent the government from still using the evidence against him in a criminal prosecution.
     
  8. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

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    FACTS!!!
     
  9. Knave

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    Yes, but the truth is that Alito understands that line thusly:

    "When a Republican president does it, that means it's not illegal. But when a Democratic president does it, that means it's always illegal."

    GOP "jurisprudence" at its finest!
     
  10. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
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    Can someone help me understand exactly what happens next with Trump’s appeal. I understand Thomas, as…the scotus overseer (????) of the 11th circuit…has to decide….something. I just don’t know what that something is. Does he have the power to reverse the 11th circuit ruling allowing the DOJ to have access to the classified docs? Or does he just serve as a gatekeeper in allowing SCOTUS to review or denying and letting the lower court ruling stand? I’m not sure if I should be as hysterical as the non attorney twittersphere is being about this. Don’t get me wrong…I can flip to hysterical in a second if it’s needed.

    i just don’t understand Thomas’s near term role in all of this.
     
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  11. ElNaranja

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    4 justices have to agree to hear or do anything. If they don't have 4, nothing happens.

    A shadow docket requires 5. Not sure how a stay works, if that is the Chief or Clarence or if they need 5 for that.
     
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  12. Yoshou

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    Yes, no, kinda. Read this:

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/supreme-court-shadow-docket

     
  13. Sounders78

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  14. yossarian

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    No. Justices are just assigned circuits to handle mostly mundane matters like requests for extensions to file, etc., from that particular circuit. The most important thing they oversee are emergency motions, so they can issue stays (for example in death penalty cases) and things like that while a cert petition is still pending. TFG still has to apply for cert. to get the case actually heard.
     
  15. rslfanboy

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    Yeah, I think the headlines on this one are doing a disservice. This is a pretty narrow appeal.
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    Trump hasn't actually applied to restore the enjoining of DOJ from investigating the documents.

    So according to this, even if Thomas does a corruption, the practical impact is low.

     
  17. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    Iirc correctly….Judge Cannon’s original ruling provided aspects of “relief” that Trump hadn’t even sought. What stops Thomas from doing the same?
     
  18. yossarian

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    He can't do that on his own. Like I said, his powers as being the Justice assigned to the 11th is limited to temporary stays and granting extensions of time to file briefs, motions, etc.
     
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  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Maybe Ginni will flip on Clarence and it'll be juicier than Brady & Giselle
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    I mean its possible we are already in the world of "LOL nothing matters" where Thomas just writes a nonsensical judgement but in the bigger picture, it might actually be good for that level of corruption to be revealed

    I also think if Thomas goes so far as to prevent DOJ from investigating the crime by preventing them from using the evidence, I think DOJ needs to consider ignoring him or working around it. I agree with Wittes' suspicion that this was Cannon's ultimate goal - to find that the documents were wrongly seized and therefore can't be used in a prosecution,
     
  21. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    Did I miss something
     
  22. russ

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    Rich people problems.No big.
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    Just noting per Yoss's post Thomas can't do this on his own

    IMO this is all much more harmful to Trump than DOJ now
     
  24. usscouse

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    This fine collection is probably on all their bookshelves.

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  25. taosjohn

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    Next in the series is "The Mother of All..." IIRC.
     
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