The Poorest Part of America

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  1. prk166

    prk166 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 8, 2000
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  2. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    Having spent quite some time driving through the Great Plains in recent weeks, I'm not even remotely surprised. The number of towns that are mostly dead is staggering. I don't know the reasons for most of it - sometimes it's the interstate that comes through and so the lack of traffic kills the town. Sometimes mines or other industry close.

    I dunno. It's very bleak in places.
     
  3. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Those are mostly Indian reservations, I'd imagine??
     
  4. jackrock

    jackrock Member

    Aug 19, 2003
    Talcott. WV
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    I can't believe Southern WV has no counties on this list. If Boone and McDowell counties are actually better off than these places then there must simply be nothing there. I thought McDowell county was the poorerst place on earth.
     
  5. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    The western Great Plains, overall, is declining in population. Many counties in western Nebraska and the Dakotas are so depopulated that there is sometimes serious talk about closing the counties down--there aren't enough taxpayers to keep the county afloat. There just isn't much left in many of those places.

    Although I'm from eastern Nebraska, I've always had a soft spot for the Sandhills and the Panhandle areas. But life isn't so good for a lot of people in that part of my home state.
     
  6. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    Stupid white man.

    Give it back to the elk and the buffalo and the wolf and the dude who can hike.
     
  7. Revolt

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    Jun 16, 1999
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    Surprising, and then again, not. I've traveled throughout New Mexico and Western Colorado. You have enclaves of wealth surrounded by some pretty intense poverty.

    So, when are the Great Plains going to be (re-) populated with Lions and Tigers?
     
  8. Revolt

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    BTW, I'm reading 1491. I just got to the part where the Indians used to burn the prarie every year. Fascinating read.
     
  9. bigredfutbol

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    Sometime after the Ogallala Aquifer runs dry. Then the humans will step aside and whatever animals want the area will have the run of the place.
     
  10. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Maybe they couldn't find Mingo on the map. Plus, remember that there are some rich people down there too.
     
  11. JBigjake

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    Nov 16, 2003
  12. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Interesting list. I wonder if they could issue a revised list of the richest counties by median income, rather than average mean income. Some of the counties would do well either way. But New York County (Manhattan) has an obvious mix of extreme wealth and grinding poverty. It would not fair as well as some of the more uniformly affluent suburban communities if median income were used.
     
  13. Knave

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    May 25, 1999
    Old mining towns I'd bet. Mine closes down, town closes down.
     
  14. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Whoo, we're number 1-5


    I believe that because Indian reservations are fairly independant they aren't counted as part of a county in this list. The Crow reservation is to the Southeast of Billings and the Blackfeet are to the West of county #9. Basically Billings is an economic blackhole sucking in all the business and people from Eastern and central Montana and North central Wyoming. Small family farming will not exist for much longer. Today around 75% of government subsidies go to large and corporate farms. Also none of these counties are near any desireable tourist destinations. If you look at Western counties you will find that those with a high amount of public forest land are the ones experiencing the highest amount of growth. Montana as a whole is growing because of this but it is centerened in the beautiful mountain filed West and Billings. If you go to Walmart or another big box store on the weekend close to a highway or interstate you will find thousands of cars from other counties, easy to tell with Montana's old liscense plate system.
    while many see us as a solid red state Democrats won 4/5 statewide seats up for election last year and most of both houses thanks to the ineptitude of republicans and their economy.
     
  15. Bob Morocco

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    Aug 11, 2003
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  16. DoyleG

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    That's certainly happening in Butte where the degregulation of the power industry meant that industry faced hyperexpansion of energy prices. They largely shut down the copper mining there because the energy prices were too much.
     
  17. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/saipe/saipe.cgi#SA91
    New York County/ManhattanBorough median $43,573, far less than the $82,308 average. I saw an article on this, can't remember where. NY,NY has great disparities of income by zip code or census tract, some of the nation's highest & lowest in relatively close proximity to each other.
    Forbes lists house prices by Zip code:
    http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2005/04/22/cx_sc_0426homep.html
    Manhattan has 11 of the most expensive 150 Zips.
    http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2005/04/22/cx_sc_0426homez.html
    Some other links:
    http://wealth.mongabay.com/tables/100_wealthiest_zip_codes-1000.html
    http://wealth.mongabay.com/tables/100_wealthiest_zip_codes.html
    http://www.uwec.edu/geography/ivogeler/w188/thewealthyUSA/thewealthyUSA.htm
    http://www.uwec.edu/geography/ivogeler/w188/thewealthyUSA/thewealthyUSA-East Coast.htm
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1377315/posts
     
  18. eneste

    eneste Member

    Mar 24, 2000
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Yeah, I'm not sure how accurate this is. According to the US Census website...

    Meagher County, Montana
    Code:
    Median household income, 1999: $29,375 
    Per capita money income, 1999: $15,019
    Persons below poverty, percent, 1999: 18.9%
    McDowell County, West Virginia
    Code:
    Median household income, 1999: $16,931
    Per capita money income, 1999: $10,174
    Persons below poverty, percent, 1999: 37.7%
    I know the article is using different, more up-to-date, data but I know that McDowell County hasn't changed that much since 1999. I would say it's definitely "poorer".
     
  19. eneste

    eneste Member

    Mar 24, 2000
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Umm... I guess that I should have read the article first...

     
  20. jackrock

    jackrock Member

    Aug 19, 2003
    Talcott. WV
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    There has been some signs of life in the coal fields, but i thought that was mainly Wyoming and parts of Boone. The really sad thing is that there was once a ton of money in the area. McDowell had a population of over 100K. Have you seen Welch in the last 5 years or so? It looks like one of the small towns near Chernobyl, desolate and abandoned.
     

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