"The Plan"

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by bunge, Dec 11, 2015.

  1. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    #1 bunge, Dec 11, 2015
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2015
    Multiple times Nelson has stated that they have a plan and we should trust them. Personally I think the plan needs to be public, at least largely so. I'd like to dedicate this thread to any concrete evidence they give of their plans and to our own ideas for what the plan should be.

    For starters, I firmly believe (as intimated above) that the community needs a stake in the creation of the plan in order for it to be more fully engaged. We allowed the front office in on the discussions during the creation of the charter. A similar courtesy is needed in return.

    Anyone else have any thoughts on the subject?
     
  2. lncolnpk

    lncolnpk Member+

    Mar 5, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is no plan. Cheap players paid with Garber bucks.

    Any decent plan would include an USL team.
     
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  3. der sting

    der sting Member

    Oct 1, 2014
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I would agree, especially with the STH, especially after the last few years of dreck...
     
  4. Pennsylvania Dave

    Jul 31, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Plan...never heard of that word before. go back to Russia commie!
     
  5. eiki

    eiki Member

    Aug 23, 2015
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I'd be curious to know if Nelson is familiar with the club charter.
     
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  6. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    #6 bunge, Dec 11, 2015
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2015
    Great points overall, and I basically agree. I will still "give 'em enough rope," so in the meantime I'm focusing on what we all agree is needed.

    Let's look at it this way: Nelson is as temporary as any player we've had. Let's help build something that outlasts him. That's our role and responsibility.
     
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  7. seamuslush

    seamuslush Member+

    Jun 18, 2005
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Plan so far:

    1) Hire a GM with a solid reputation as a league bureaucrat and good connections across the national soccer landscape but not much of a record of performing some of the the taks required of a GM
    2) Fire a bunch of people who did their jobs well because your new GM hire believes in some half baked version of collective responsibility.
    3) Hire a manager with a good reputation as a youth coach in a NT setup who has never managed/coached with a professional club.
    4) Retain the holdover TD (until January, at least) because you realize that neither your GM or 1st team manager have spent enough time with the drafting processes and are not fully prepared for this cycle. Hope that your holdover TD clicks with the GM/ manager of the 1st team.
    5) When in doubt, take the money.
     
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  8. Jiggly_333

    Jiggly_333 Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 8, 2015
    Corner of Bedlam and Squalor (It's that way ->)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  9. skinut

    skinut Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2000
    Castle Pines, CO (or often elsewhere on earth)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plan? There ain't no plan. Only tools.
     
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  10. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    He doesn't need a plan. He should just state some vague goals that seem realistic. If he said we want to accomplish three things this season, such as ...
    1) Establish a core base of Fire Players
    2) Establish a formation that will be used by all Fire Teams
    3) Incorporate more youth via US Open Cup games and USL matches.
    We would be happy. Instead we gets "we have a plan" and "we are working on" which is just useless.
     
  11. der sting

    der sting Member

    Oct 1, 2014
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
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    You dare question us? We have a plan in place!
     
  12. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    This is brilliant stuff and absolutely correct.
     
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  13. pena pirata

    pena pirata Member+

    Sep 28, 2013
    Batavia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
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  14. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    “I think players are going to walk in next year and say, ‘This is the place I want to play,’” Sugarman said.

    We need some of this:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aspirational
     
  15. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here is a plan, find and sign the best most talented players at every position.
     
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  16. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    ..."within reason"
     
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  17. skinut

    skinut Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2000
    Castle Pines, CO (or often elsewhere on earth)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "with 'you suck' money."
     
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  18. Pennsylvania Dave

    Jul 31, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Hey where is this "I suck gimme free money" line at anyway?
    [​IMG]
     
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  19. abdi7451

    abdi7451 Member

    Feb 16, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    There is a plan.

    1. Buy cheap, sub par DPs with allocation money. With no regard to roster fit or squad balance. Very little money should be spent out of Hauptman's pocket.
    2. Promote youth and hope they show out well enough to earn a decent transfer fee in the future.
    3. Make good profit, and keep riding MLS' growth until Andell can sell at 500% initial value.
     
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  20. HeyFireGO

    HeyFireGO Member+

    May 12, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    "The plan" is: buy second rate "DP's" and pick up cheap players and HOPE they work out. That's been the "plan" under Hauptman ever since he bought the team. It hasn't worked.
     
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  21. lethargytartare

    lethargytartare Member+

    Oct 2, 2000
    Magrathea, Horsehead Nebula
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
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  22. der sting

    der sting Member

    Oct 1, 2014
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Or can you? In the convoluted system used in the fuzzy salary cap I am sure if they wanted to they could find a way.
     
  23. lethargytartare

    lethargytartare Member+

    Oct 2, 2000
    Magrathea, Horsehead Nebula
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    you forgot step 3:

    if steps 1 & 2 don't work out, fire everyone and tell the rubes "X wasn't good enough" and you have now hired the right staff to turn this around.

    repeat as necessary.
     
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  24. lethargytartare

    lethargytartare Member+

    Oct 2, 2000
    Magrathea, Horsehead Nebula
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    well, they could, but they won't.

    it'd be fairly easy to use all the garberbux on player salaries, and then invest your own money in non-cap related enhancements like training facilities, USL, etc. See, for example, almost every fvcking team in the league.

    but why would Andy do that when he can use all the garberbux on player salaries and then invest his own money in naked chicks at the next white party?
     
  25. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Without a visible, public plan, the Fire can pretend that losing Larry Sunderland was part of that plan. It's just talk until we have concrete steps outlined and evidence that progress is being made.

    We need to see a plan for the academy and USL teams.
     
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