The Philadelphia Union Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by ussoccer97531, Mar 21, 2021.

  1. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    Looking at total minutes (including Open Cup), Cavan has played more than Bender and Rafanello. Donovan passed him on Saturday, but he also hadn't been away from the team like Cavan had. Vassilev has a lot more minutes, but it's hard to argue against that at this point their careers.

    I would guess that Cavan's first team minutes will trend upwards over the course of the season as some of his MLSNP minutes become MLS minutes, but I still wouldn't expect a ton this season. The timing of the U17 World Cup falls at an unfortunate time right in the middle of the playoffs, so it will be interesting to see how that all plays out.

    By the end of the season, I would guess we are looking at something like 2,500 minutes split between MLSNP, MLS, and US U17s. That's a decent load across good levels of competition for a 15yo player.
     
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  2. Dynamo Kev

    Dynamo Kev Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    Jack McGlynn opens up to
    @ryantolmich
    of http://GOAL.com about the trade that sent him to Houston: “Nobody from Philly even talked to me. They didn’t even have the decency to give me a reason. I was with my girlfriend, and my dad called me and told me I was moving—and that it wasn’t Europe. “He said, ‘You’re going to an MLS team,’ and they wouldn’t even tell us where until it was all done. They do everything right there all the way through. While I was there, it was great. But it just feels like I should have been treated with a bit more respect on my way out.” “The communication with me? The respect they showed me? It felt like there was none at all. It was just disrespectful the way they handled it. And I’m happy that it worked out because I’m playing well in Houston. But I really just wish I could have left on better terms.”
     
  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's not Landon Donovan... also if Euro clubs want him they can pay for him, not like MLS teams are unwilling to sell players to Europe lol
     
  4. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I feel though that it makes it harder when an MLS team attaches a sizable sell-on to a trade within MLS. There’s less incentive to sell when you’d have to compensate another team a sizable amount for an outgoing transfer.
     
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  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    The McGlynn sale worked out for everyone. It's too bad Jack feels disrespected in the way he does.

    Those sell-on percentages are just the way of the world now.

    MLS to MLS club isn't going to be any different..........................

    Does it make it harder? Maybe. When Houston sells him to a Euro club, then they'll have a sell on fee with that deal. And so it goes, and so it goes.....................
     
  6. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Worked for everyone other than the player.
     
  7. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I wish my last company had treated me with more respect and tipped me off that I was going to be let go as a way to cut costs. 13+ years of service, no warning... (it was honestly the best thing to ever happen for me though).

    Bringing it back to McGlynn.... had the Union informed him of a possible trade beforehand, and say that deal fell through... how does that help all parties? The player's head is in a different state, the team then has to handle a potentially unhappy player....

    Sports is a business.

    How did this not work for McGlynn? He got a move to a team where he is the focal point and can showcase his abilities. He wasn't going to have that in Philly. The sell percentage allows Houston to pay a little less upfront to get a player they like. It allows Philly to protect their investment in the player (academy costs), while also still having an incentive to move him to a better situation. Sell on clauses are the norm in the rest of the world.
     
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  8. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    You can tell from that interview he isn't happy in Houston. It wasn't what he wanted.
     
  9. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    He might have wanted to stay in Philly, but, tough luck, Philly didn't want him. He would become a bench player there. It does work for him, but not for his ego.
     
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  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reminder Philly are currently first in the Supporters Shield standings so a bit tough to be too critical of any move they've made recently, from firing Jim Curtin to trading Jack McGlynn lol
     
  11. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    He wanted to leave to Europe. There were offers present from Europe, and they took the Houston offer because it was better for them financially.
     
  12. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    He may have felt blindsided, but he went to a team that is running much of the offense through him. It's a pretty good situation for him given a lot of teams might put him on the bench because of his defensive issues.
     
  13. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds like he just wanted Tanner to call him, inform him of the move personally, thank him for his service, etc. Given Tanner's reputation...his relatively cold handling of the situation isn't surprising.
     
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  14. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What were the offers from Europe?

    Keep in mind that teams are under NO obligation to accept low ball offers.
     
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  15. Dynamo Kev

    Dynamo Kev Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    I watched the u15 GA Cup final- Union v Atl. The other day. Only the 2nd time I've seen this group of mostly 2010s. The Union dominated the match, winning 3-0. The three standout players for this match were:

    Abdoulaye Diop - skillful, creative, tall, midfielder- think Yaya Toure. The best moments came from his creative touches. Uses his body very well. We'll see how he holds up when the field catches up size-wise.

    Samuel Gallego - I've seen him a few times and he never seems to disappoint. Left footed, smaller, creative player. There are times you see a bit of Cavan in him, but not nearly as consistent. Needs to improve decision making but has the ability to change games. Scored a beaut on his right foot to go up 2-0.

    Logan Huffman - a player I'm sort of familiar with and this performance was completely unexpected. He was with the Union in his early years, was cut at u13, went to Delco for a couple seasons and is now back in the fold. MOTM performance for me from the LB position. Shutdown the Atl attack on that side, won almost every 1v1 battle, joined the attack when called upon, drew 2 yellow cards. Needs to work on the final ball a bit but the options were limited at times.

    I wasn't too impressed with the strikers in this group- non existent link up lay, poor runs and squandered quite a few chances.
     
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  16. bose03

    bose03 Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2023
    a bit crazy to think Cavan would've been eligible for this
     
  17. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Not for the U-15. He's an '09. They're 10's.
     
  18. bose03

    bose03 Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2023
    doesn't the U-15 include 15 year olds? I remember at the Olympics it was a U-23 tournament, but 23 year olds were still eligible. same thing for the U-20 World cup
     
  19. eliwood

    eliwood Member+

    Jul 25, 2016
    There's a date of birth cutoff they use at the beginning of qualifications/tournaments I think
     
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  20. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Essentially everything in club or international youth sports goes by year of birth, not relative age. High school/college is a little different and goes by grade year.
     
  21. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  22. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Vazquez and Olivas join Cavan as second half subs tonight against Columbus.
     
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  24. Dynamo Kev

    Dynamo Kev Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    Thought all three did reasonably well, Vazquez probably better than the others. Philly's attack was non existent in the first half but they were the better team and created more chances in the 2nd. You have to wonder if the mentality changed from conceding that late first half goal or did the personnel make the difference. No debut for Neil Pierre was disappointing. Good to see Anderson getting the start over Donovan- though they each played 45..
     
  25. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pierre not playing is and isn't surprising. On the one hand the Crew don't have any true strikers, so it looks on paper as safer opportunity. On the other hand missing Harriel, M'Baizo, Westfield, Q. Sullivan, Uhre and Baribo....... actually puts more pressure on the defense, as the Union don't have that pressure from the front of the line. Plus he's a 17 year old CB. I get it.
     

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