The Philadelphia Union Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by ussoccer97531, Mar 21, 2021.

  1. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    good question
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  2. A year ago Joe Mansueto tried mightily to bring Philly Jim to Chicago. The fall back plan was bringing back Frank Klopas for 2024 and now 3G is the plan going forward. Looks like Curtin's path leads down the road to Atlanta.
     
  3. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    Somebody already mentioned it, but seems like a good moment in his career to do something with the national team if an opportunity is there to be on Poch's staff.
     
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  4. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When I saw the news, I was initially shocked. After it's been digested, I agree with your line of thinking.

    Jim has been respectfully critical of the ownership's low spending in nearly all of his press conferences. In last post game presser he spoke about how he felt that the team didn't need a major overhaul.

    IMO, Tanner wants to make some major changes to the roster and its' possible that Jim didn't agree with those moves. We also need to remember that they have likely completed their end of season meetings with the players by now. It's possible that players have mentioned the need for a new voice in the locker room as well.

    At the end of the day, after 10 years, it's likely jit was ust time for each party to move in a new direction. They may go with LeBlanc. I have a feeling that he'll either leave the org, or move up to be an assistant on the staff of whoever the new Head Coach is. It should also be mentioned that Earnie Stewart didn't choose Curtin. Tanner didn't either. So now Tanner gets to go out and bring in a coach that will employ the high pressure style he prefers. A name to keep an eye on is Bradley Carnell. Outside of that I have no idea who Tanner might be looking at to bring in.
     
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  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    United States
    2024 was a total fluke and St Louis improved this season after firing him so Bradley Carnell would be a strange choice. I would have expected the favorite to be some coach Tanner knows from Germany...
     
  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're probably right. I was just connecting a former Red Bull coach, as Tanner was in their organization as head of their academy prior to coming to Philly.
     
  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    1. who
    2. apparently former Philly Union academy kid

     
  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
  9. ussoccer97531

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    Oct 12, 2012
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    Former top prospect that hasn’t developed well.
     
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  10. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  11. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LAFC traded a bag of balls (50k GAM) for his HG rights, surely Philly could have done the same?
     
  12. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why should Philly have to give Minnesota anything? Philly paid for the kid's development after Minnesota decided to shutter their academy. On principal alone I agree with their stance.
     
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  13. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So Philly opted out of signing him over 50k in GAM. If they rated him highly I think they would have paid it?
     
  14. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1539 jaykoz3, Nov 9, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2024
    Why should have had to pay for the player to begin with? He was in their academy. Minnesota decided to close their academy and cut ties with all of their academy players...... Now all of the sudden because Philly wants to sign one to a home grown deal Minnesota gets to call dibs? AFTER Philly paid for the players education, housing, and soccer development for years??? You don't see or understand how and why Philly would be unhappy about this?

    Philly can't be needlessly burning through resources. I get it, $50K in Garber bucks doesn't seem like much to an LAFC or Miami fan, but for a frugal organization like Philly, they need to maximize all of their available resources.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware that Philly's academy has pulled shenanigans of their own when it comes to signing players. I wouldn't be surprised if LAFC only signed Darboe to spite Philly for signing David Vasquez.

    At the end of the day these development Academies that MLS teams run aren't exactly cheap. League HQ LOVES to celebrate and promote their homegrown players. Then a situation like this comes up. A team that's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars not to mention years developing a player and are told: "actually..... you can't sign him...." This was more likely Philly taking a stand on the absurdity of the situation and home grown rules, than it was the $50K in GAM (which likely wasn't what Minnesota was asking Philly for).
     
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  15. xbhaskarx

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    #1540 xbhaskarx, Nov 9, 2024
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    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...n-philadelphia-union-no-longer-mls-model-club



    a name
     
  16. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't they know Minnesota owned his rights before he joined their academy? It sounds like they were just hoping the rules would change. MLS likely put a number on it that Minnesota had to accept to prevent "ransoming". Why would that number be different for LAFC vs Philly?
     
  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Is it lame? Yes.

    ................are those the rules? Yes.

    It's like when Dallas wanted to sign Chris Cappis and Houston refused to play ball.
    I'm sure folks can come up with other examples.
     
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  18. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  19. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Lame? How about wrong, unfair, outdated, destructive to development, illogical, incoherent?!
    Golly gosh Gee folks those are just the rules...
    MLS have and can cancel these rules in 15 minutes....
    Cappis was 5 odd years ago and was as wrong, unfair,.....then as they are now.
    To quote one of the Kennedy's 'I don't see the world as it is and say OK, I see the world as is should be and say DO IT!
     
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  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I'm not saying I like them..............I'm saying those are the rules.

    MLS clubs know the rules. The Philly front office knows the rules.

    If you're going to be bringing kids into your academy that require you to trade for their rights at a later time, then you know you're taking a risk. The risk that the other team doesn't show any class.

    [Do the kids and their parents know the rules? That I don't know....................]
     
  21. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    #1546 SUDano, Nov 10, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2024
    We all know they are the rules...we're discussing what we think of the rules.
     
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  22. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Its fine. We all get it.

    And by the way, Darboe wasn't worth $50k.

    He was clearly worth $1.5 million. :)

    Minnesota negotiated a percentage of that transfer fee when they sold his rights to LAFC. They got a portion of it. We don't know how much. But it could have been 40% or something.

    We don't really know what was really happening behind the scenes here. If LAFC offered a much better package to Minnesota for those rights than Philly did, then so be it.

    The Philly academy goes out and poaches players from other regions. The aforementioned David Vazquez is an example. If you're going to be doing that, and pissing teams off, then don't be surprised if they don't play ball with you. Don't be surprised if other teams undercut you. I believe jaykoz above admitted to Philly pulling "shenanigans of their own" in his post above.

    This isn't a Philadelphia love fest. The rest of the league isn't going to bend over backwards to help Philly be successful.

    Nobody feels sorry for Philly that they invested resources into Darboe and he left. Just like nobody felt sorry for the Dallas with the Cappis situation (at the time the #1 academy).

    Another Dallas example is Shaq Moore. He joined their academy before Atlanta United existed. Then Atlanta was formed and Dallas was told that they actually owned his territorial rights. Silly. They couldn't work out a deal with Atlanta, couldn't sign him, and he went to Spain instead.

    I'm sure people can come up with other non-Dallas examples. The rules are silly, but those ARE the rules. The Philadelphia front office knows the rules as well as anybody. I'm sure of it. Almost everything I seen in defense of Philly in this situation is irrelevant. Its irrelevant according to the rules that Minnesota ceased operations at their academy. We know that.
     
  23. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Are we being punked?
    It's as if we're having two different conversations, we know the rules and and all the absurd situations that have occurred in the past, we're now discussing how to improve the rules and you just repeat what the rules are when we're past that point. We know what they are. Answering injustice with reading of the rulebook and status quo. This board has historically been the touch stone as to many ideas that have taken route to improve the developmental landscape in this country. What are your thoughts on those rules, should they change, what are ideal conditions for development to flourish, are these rules it? Why do the rules hurt? Come join us in that discussion.
     
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  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    good response from our perspective
     
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  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    It's a smart response, but he's in the wrong city.

    Philly isn't a small market and their fans are demanding, especially when other teams in the city are performing. They could trust the process, but it's harder when it's not "wait for Cavan Sullivan to lead us to a title" but rather "wait for the players we buy after we sell Cavan Sullivan lead us to a title along with a number of role players that came up through the academy."

    That plan could play in Portland, or San Diego, or Kansas City. They kind of know that while their owner doesn't need to be cheap, it's not a NY or LA team. But Sugarman is the relatively poor owner in the wrong town.
     

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