The PGMOL are VARy sorry.....again- The VAR Thread II [R]

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  1. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    isn't there a Liverpool FC in Venezuela?
    or maybe it's another South Am country ....

    edit: I googled, no, it's not in Venezuela. so you're right Binomial, at least in my case :)
     
  2. speker

    speker Member+

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  3. Binomial

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  4. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    #679 EruditeHobo, Jul 26, 2024
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    Yeah, they should put another multi-faceted incident which had an understandable if complex binary result in there... that video doesn't have enough of those.
     
  5. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    they can't help themselves can they? :rolleyes:

    The Premier League is poised to unveil a revolutionary new version of the video assistant referee system using semi-automatic offside technology (SAOT) which, it claims, will produce the best officiating setup in the world.

    The AI-powered system has been developed by the technology company Genius Sports, which will install 28 computer vision cameras at every Premier League ground. The company is confident it can deliver VAR verdicts within seconds* and shave minutes off top-flight matches.

    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...evolutionary-camera-system-to-aid-var-process

    * note: no mention of "correct" or "accurate" :D:D
     
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  6. Menace2Sobriety

    Menace2Sobriety Member+

    Aug 12, 2004
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    Are the Premier League adopting auto offside technology to is season?
     
  7. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    It was approved late last season IIRC.
     
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  8. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    literally the post above yours, Menace!
     
  9. Menace2Sobriety

    Menace2Sobriety Member+

    Aug 12, 2004
    Washington DC
    Thanks - not the same question but Hobo answered. I was asking about the tech used at the Euros
     
  10. SamScouse

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    eh ?
    it's exactly the same question - about the PL bringing in auto-judged offside, like at the Euros.
     
  11. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Howard Webb flapping his gums about VAR again. I managed to stay awake long enough to see this bit ....

    Using the phrase “referee’s call” is one small tweak to the language around VAR that will be adopted in the Premier League this season, to clarify that referees – and not video analysts – have primacy in decision making. VARs have also been advised to spend less time scrutinising footage to look for possible infringements.

    “We think that the fact we can use ‘referee’s call’ emphasises to the officials as well that one, they have to make a call, because they do,” Webb said. “Secondly to the VARs, [the message is] leave that decision alone unless it jumps out as being clearly wrong. Don’t micro-analyse, don’t be forensic around your analysis of the situation.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...you-dont-like-final-decision-says-howard-webb
     
  12. SamScouse

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    oh, and they have YET A-FUKKING-GAIN changed the handball rule!!!!

    Other measures announced include new graphics broadcast in stadiums to explain overturned decisions to fans and a more lenient approach to the controversial handball rule where, for example, players will no longer be punished if the ball strikes their arm after deflecting off another body part.
     
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  13. Wingtips1

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    Oh, it was so much simpler when it had to be an intentional use of the hand/arm.
    Now we're forcing defenders to defend while holding their hands behind their backs because of stupid administrators.
     
  14. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    growing up, the criterion was simple: was it "ball to hand" or "hand to ball".

    I dunno where the wheels fell off that simple test. maybe not foolproof - nothing is - but it didn't need changing every season.
     
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  15. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    Growing up, the keeper used to be able to pick up backpasses. The game has changed, and will continue to change.

    That said... they haven't changed the handball rule. What you're talking about seems to be about ref guidelines around handball, but the actual law hasn't changed.

    Here are the 24/25 changes:
    https://www.theifab.com/law-changes/latest/
     
  16. EruditeHobo

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    We're off and running...

    Bournemouth had a goal taken off from a corner in 1st half v Forent. Was taken short, then chopped back to the taker who was making a run... he was well off. No toenail offside here. Good call.
     
  17. SamScouse

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    The introduction of semi auto offsides isn't ready for prime time yet so not in use.

    The VAR tv screen at Goodison didn't work so the ref had to take advice from the VAR guy and overturn the pen he just gave Everton.

    Off to a flying start as usual PGMOL.

    Yesterday a Fulham player got yellow for waving an imaginary card. Let's see how long that lasts.
     
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  18. EruditeHobo

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    West Ham - Villa:
    Matty Cash somewhat clumsily bungled in to the opponent after they chested it down inside the Villa box. Ref gave pen. VAR didn't overturn.

    High bar seems to be at play here, if this wasn't given I'd be surprised if VAR gives it. In England, at least.

    With no VAR, the pen still happens.
    Pen scored. 1-1 in 40th minute.
     
  19. EruditeHobo

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    #694 EruditeHobo, Aug 17, 2024
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    New VAR info for 24/25:
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...gue-2024-25-handball-live-var-updates-offside

    Some interesting changes...

    Another great communicative change... not to the system or protocol, but to the language:

    So many people seem to not know what "clear and obvious" means or how it's applied, it's been re-branded to "referee's call". Great decision IMO. Doesn't change anything about VAR, hopefully will change the way (some) people think about VAR, though. Which is half the battle.
     
  20. SamScouse

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  21. EruditeHobo

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    #696 EruditeHobo, Aug 17, 2024
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    Official six-point plan for VAR improvement:


    More data:





    From:
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/40857645/premier-league-hopes-referee-call-help-fix-var
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cwyj7y89yq4o
     
  22. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    EVE - BHA!

    Calvert-Lewin goes down theatrically after Dunk (or someone) dived in to block a possible shot. Ref gives pen immediately.

    Upon review, there's barely any contact at all, C-L dived horribly after extending his foot way out and making a little contact with Dunk, who is on the ground. Very 50/50, pen taken away.

    Without VAR, this awful pen stands. Thanks VAR.
     
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  23. newterp

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    Calvert Lewin dived? I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
     
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  24. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    Particularly bad one, today. Really upended himself. Embarrassing.

    And right on cue there are bunches of bitters on the twitters talking about this being evidence of VAR overreach. Wild.
     
  25. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    Brighton also had a goal chalked off by VAR for offside in stoppage time. Sub came on and get put in on goal, but was ahead of the ball and about 6 inches or so behind last defender. Not quite a toenail offside, more like a knee offside... but pretty close.

    Also pretty clearly off.
    Without VAR, that offside goal stands.
     

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