The paucity of English opportunity thread

Discussion in 'England' started by wellno, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I wouldn't worry. No way he will choose Nigeria over England
     
  2. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Is 40% a recent record?
     
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  3. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Really hope Gomes doesn’t sign a new contract at Man Utd.
     
  4. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Certainly this season and I suspect it is for a number of years to be honest however I don’t have any weekly matchday records to confirm but last season we had a low of 53/220 (24%)English qualified players and the season before averaged 33% so based on that, I’m pretty confident it’s a record over the last two seasons at least.
     
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  5. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    We knew already but confirmation Balogun is set to leave Arsenal.

     
  6. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Where is balogan going?
     
  7. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
     
  8. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    #2308 TopBanana10, Jun 29, 2020
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  9. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Looks as though Covid has been good for English players getting opportunities - about another 10 per matchday starting.
     
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  10. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah that was pretty impressive but I think there will be a bit of a drop off for this current game week but will see tonight.
     
  11. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Think it will increase after this week again. Jones, Elliott, THB, Doyle and Palmer are all in line for minutes.
     
  12. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Just looking ahead to next season and looking at the teams in the Championship that might help with the home grown numbers increase, Leeds could be a decent addition with a average of around 5 out of 11 players English qualified per game, WBA could also be a welcome addition with usually around 5 or 6 out of 11. Then out of the play off hopefuls, I think any will be a welcome addition bar Fulham who usually don’t play many English qualified players. Obviously this could all change during the transfer window but I think it will be relatively quiet due to the coronavirus crisis so would be surprised if there is major overhauls with these squads. Personally think Forest, Derby or Cardiff could have the biggest contributions fwiw from the other hopefuls to get promoted

    Teams going down, Norwich look certain and won’t really be missed in regard to their contribution towards the percentage however they have given opportunities to three promising kids in Cantwell, Aaron’s and Godfrey so shouldn’t be overlooked. Out of the others who could go down, Bournemouth and Villa usually average about 5, Watford around 4, Brighton around 4 also and West Ham 5. So all in all with the teams coming up everything should probably even itself out except for Fulham who could send the percentage negative.
     
  13. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Iling didn't sign and, while I've seen Villa's boys signed today, Chukmuemeka is conspicuous in his absence from sharing a photo too.
     
  14. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    English eligible players starting in the Premier League, total per matchday:

    Matchday 1 - 83/220 = 37.7%

    Matchday 2 - 74/220 = 33.6%

    Matchday 3 - 75/220 = 34.09%

    Matchday 4 - 74/220 = 33.6%

    Matchday 5 - 75/220 = 34.09%

    Matchday 6 - 69/220 = 31.36%

    Matchday 7 - 76/220 = 34.54%

    Matchday 8 - 73/220 = 33.18%

    Matchday 9 - 77/220 = 35%

    Matchday 10 - 75/220 = 34.09%

    Matchday 11 - 71/220 = 32.27%

    Matchday 12 - 74/220 = 33.6%

    Matchday 13 - 79/220 = 35.9%

    Matchday 14 - 80/220 = 36.36%

    Matchday 15 - 77/220 = 35%

    Matchday 16 - 76/220 = 34.54%

    Matchday 17 - 78/220 = 35.45%

    Matchday 18 - 80/220 = 36.36 % (Updated)

    Matchday 19 - 79/220 = 35.9%

    Matchday 20 - 78/220 = 35.45%

    Matchday 21 - 75/220 = 34.09%

    Matchday 22- 83/220 = 37.7%

    Matchday 23 - 78/220 = 35.45%

    Matchday 24 - 76/220 = 34.54%

    Matchday 25 - 78/220 = 35.45%

    Matchday 26 - 76/220 = 34.54% ( updated )

    Matchday 27 - 75/220 = 34.09%

    Matchday 28 - 84/220 = 38.18% ( updated )

    Matchday 29 - 83/220 = 37.7%

    Matchday 30 - 89/220 = 40.45%

    Matchday 31 - 81/220 = 36.81%
     
  15. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Villa announced seven scholars and he wasn't one of them. They said they hope to be able to announce others soon, but I think that's a Polish goalkeeper awaiting clearance, so it looks like he's off somewhere.
     
  16. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Just thought I’d share this as it made me smile and kind of sums up how tight I get the feeling the 2000 age group is.

     
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  17. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    English eligible players starting in the Premier League, total per matchday:

    Matchday 1 - 83/220 = 37.7%

    Matchday 2 - 74/220 = 33.6%

    Matchday 3 - 75/220 = 34.09%

    Matchday 4 - 74/220 = 33.6%

    Matchday 5 - 75/220 = 34.09%

    Matchday 6 - 69/220 = 31.36%

    Matchday 7 - 76/220 = 34.54%

    Matchday 8 - 73/220 = 33.18%

    Matchday 9 - 77/220 = 35%

    Matchday 10 - 75/220 = 34.09%

    Matchday 11 - 71/220 = 32.27%

    Matchday 12 - 74/220 = 33.6%

    Matchday 13 - 79/220 = 35.9%

    Matchday 14 - 80/220 = 36.36%

    Matchday 15 - 77/220 = 35%

    Matchday 16 - 76/220 = 34.54%

    Matchday 17 - 78/220 = 35.45%

    Matchday 18 - 80/220 = 36.36 % (Updated)

    Matchday 19 - 79/220 = 35.9%

    Matchday 20 - 78/220 = 35.45%

    Matchday 21 - 75/220 = 34.09%

    Matchday 22- 83/220 = 37.7%

    Matchday 23 - 78/220 = 35.45%

    Matchday 24 - 76/220 = 34.54%

    Matchday 25 - 78/220 = 35.45%

    Matchday 26 - 76/220 = 34.54% ( updated )

    Matchday 27 - 75/220 = 34.09%

    Matchday 28 - 84/220 = 38.18% ( updated )

    Matchday 29 - 83/220 = 37.7%

    Matchday 30 - 89/220 = 40.45%

    Matchday 31 - 81/220 = 36.81%

    Matchday 32 - 80/220 = 36.36%
     
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  18. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    The only thing at stake for Liverpool was Klopp’s ego but he still didn’t give 30 minutes to Jones or Elliott. Poor
     
  19. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah when Henderson hobbled off and they had Fabinho on, I thought why not throw Jones on but no, it was Milner. Obviously going for the points record which I’m not a big fan of if I’m honest and for the record I said the same when City went for it. I guess I just don’t care about that sort of thing as once you have won the league that’s what counts for me, not record points and it’s just a wasted opportunity to blood in some kids and get them the experience which will help their development. Shame in a way but I’m sure there’s plenty of fans that would rather go for the points record than player development.
     
  20. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    And you just know that any injuries would be blamed on too many fixtures. I was naive enough to think that Jones and Elliott would get meaningful minutes once the title was secure.
     
  21. wellno

    wellno Member+

    Jul 31, 2016
    He may be Welsh but Klopp did give a full debut to a academy graduate today in Neco Williams.

    He was quoted recently saying Liverpool won't be gifting appearences to young players so I guess it's up to Jones and Elliot to earn to same opportunity.

    Jones had a good cameo on the weekend so it's a shame he didn't get to build on it today. I'm still expecting a start before the end of the season.
     
  22. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
  23. Manchester21

    Manchester21 Member

    Manchester City
    England
    Jun 17, 2017
    Tommy Doyle got the last 20 minutes yesterday. From what I’ve seen he could be the next one after foden who gets into the first team/ squad

    very exciting for city fans, especially as he has such a strong link with the club with his grandfathers playing for us
     
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  24. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    Maybe I just have English tinted glasses on, but Jones and Williams have looked more impressive for the first team in their appearances from whenever I've seen them. I didn't think Williams looked that impressive last night if I'm honest. He was caught out a lot down that left hand side and didn't seem to contribute that much going forward or in possession either. I will concede however that we need a bigger sample size before making conclusions.
     
  25. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    Also, even though it doesn't suit us, I don't blame Liverpool or Klopp for keeping their foot on the pedal and playing their first team for the rest of the season. They have had a magnificent season and will understandably want to break records for their legacy, especially with them being out of all other competitions. There is a lot of talk about how Liverpool won't be spending much in the summer so I'd imagine their youngsters will get more opportunities next season, in the case of Elliott especially, he is still really young so there is plenty of time.
     

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