The paucity of English opportunity thread

Discussion in 'England' started by wellno, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Using a bypass.

    Hayden Hackney
    Jeremy Monga
    Thierry Small
    Callum Doyle
    Richard Kone
    Charlie Hughes
    Pierce Charles

    Honarable Mentions
    Abdul Fatawu
    Jaden Philogene
    Taylor Harwood-Bellis

    Some loaners as well as
    James Beadle
    Sveree Nypan
    Jordan James

    Too old for the main list
    Jack Rudoni
    Bobby Thomas
    Sobra Thomas

    Some others
    Isaac Price
    Karamoko Dembele
    Sindre Walle Egeli
     
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  3. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Any queries with this selection? I would have Josh King higher up the ranks. Also thought he’s more of a 10 than an 8.

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  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    JJ Gabriel has a lot of potential but Monga, Ngumoha and Moore are all above him at the moment.
     
  5. GermanBlade

    GermanBlade Member

    Sheffield United
    Mar 17, 2025
    #4980 GermanBlade, Jan 13, 2026
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2026
    Jobe over Lewis Miley? No way! Probably just highlighting the supposed big names for engagement farming

    EDIT: Lewis-Skelly over Nico at left back is also a ... choice. No Reggie Watson´s baffling.
    And some of these positions don´t make much sense e.g. Nwaneri on the right wing instead of Lacey who was placed in the 10 role etc.
     
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  6. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    It’s more based on how high their ceilings are I think. I would probably have Mane in there as well coming to think of it.
     
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  7. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Having said what I just said but this probably rings true also. Some of those other players I think have higher potential than Jobe who hasn’t exactly set senior football on fire at the moment.
     
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  8. GermanBlade

    GermanBlade Member

    Sheffield United
    Mar 17, 2025
    He came through at the Fulham academy as a entral midfielder and has played there in the younger England underage groups too but Marco Silva and Carsley have deployed him further up the pitch. I personally prefer him in central midfield by far.
     
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  9. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    There's a lot I'd change really.

    Pinnington is an especially weird choice at CB given he's not even a starter for Liverpool's 21s, let alone in the England set up.
     
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  10. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Also only just noticed that Floyd Samba is down as a #6?
     
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  11. GermanBlade

    GermanBlade Member

    Sheffield United
    Mar 17, 2025
    Wait a sec... Is there no Max Alleyne in there? Surely just supposed to be rage-baiting interactions then as is the case with most of these internet football accounts
     
  12. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Going to post this here, can’t be bothered to debate what changes/bans you think the FA should make, but here is the data, as I’m sure certain people will want to.


    Percentage of minutes played by nationality in PL so far this season.

    England: 105,927 minutes → 23.82%
    France: 38,171 minutes → 8.58%
    Netherlands: 37,214 minutes → 8.37%
    Brazil: 30,319 minutes → 6.82%
    Spain: 19,725 minutes → 4.44%
    Portugal: 17,401 minutes → 3.91%
    Germany: 13,088 minutes → 2.94%
    Argentina: 12,450 minutes → 2.80%
    Italy: 11,002 minutes → 2.47%
    Wales: 9,900 minutes → 2.23%

    Percentage of minutes played by nationality in Championship so far this season.

    England: 290,774 minutes → 43.60%
    Republic of Ireland: 41,788 minutes → 6.27%
    Wales: 31,120 minutes → 4.67%
    Scotland: 29,157 minutes → 4.37%
    Denmark: 18,645 minutes → 2.80%
    Northern Ireland: 15,785 minutes → 2.37%
    Jamaica: 14,860 minutes → 2.23%
    Japan: 12,139 minutes → 1.82%
    United States: 11,894 minutes → 1.78%
    Australia: 11,731 minutes → 1.76%
     
  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
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  14. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I actually didn’t realise they didn’t have an U21 league set up of sorts but don’t there ‘ U21’s’ play in the lower leagues against senior teams?
     
  15. GermanBlade

    GermanBlade Member

    Sheffield United
    Mar 17, 2025
    Yeah but clubs aren't obliged to even have these II teams. Clubs like Leverkusen and others don't have a second team in the lower leagues. Despite that, Leverkusen has arranged loans for two of their top prospects in Alfa-Ruprecht (the guy who used to play in City's u18s and EDS) and Onyeka who both contribute significantly to Bochum in the 2. Bundesliga.
    The main criticism though has always been coaches might prefer physically ready players over technicians if all of the young players are forced to play against adults from the lower leagues compared to a select few who the club deems ready to handle these physical and mental demands like in the English loan system. And these loan systems have their obvious flaws as well like players neeedimg time to adapt to men's football whilst the supporters of the loan team become more amd more impatient etc.
    It also more than anything depends on the club's culture I'd reckon. Some clubs who are known for trusting their youth like for example Schalke, Mainz or Hoffenheim have made quote a good use of promoting their top prospects to the II teams and thus exposing them to the men's game, getting them ready for their first team. It's a bit similar to a player going to a club like say Wolves because they have a Cat1 academy compared to say Norwich or Peterborough for example who have shown they are willing to trust young players.
     
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