The paucity of English opportunity thread

Discussion in 'England' started by wellno, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    For 20 mins there were no English eligible players playing in the match between Fulham and Wolves.
     
  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Liverpool play from 62 onwards without an English player playing after Jones was substituted.
     
  3. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Now 38 English options that have made an appearance in the the Champions League this season -

    Goalkeepers
    0


    Defenders
    13
    - Rico Lewis, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Fikayo Tomori, Ezri Konsa, Ben White, Joe Gomez, Eric Dier, John Stones, Kyle Walker, Ben Godfrey, Tyrone Mings, Jahmai Simpson-Pusey, Jarrell Quansah.

    Midfielders
    14 - Bobby Clark, Jude Bellingham, Jacob Ramsey, Angel Gomes, Phil Foden, Conor Gallagher, Declan Rice, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Ross Barkley, James McAtee, Myles Lewis-Skelly, Curtis Jones, Nico O’Reilly, Ethan Nwaneri.

    Attackers
    11
    - Jamie Gittens, Samuel Iling-Junior, Morgan Rogers, Bukayo Saka, Tammy Abraham, Ollie Watkins, Jack Grealish, Raheem Sterling, Harry Kane, Jaden Philogene, Marcus Edwards.
     
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  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    No English starters for Wolves today. Three on the bench (Sam Johnstone, Craig Dawson and Tommy Doyle.j
     
  5. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Just doing a random check on English player starters for Premier League games and the number was 29.09%. Again though, other than Newcastle, most of our bigger contributors were from the lower end of the league.
     
  6. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    This is compounded by the recent international eligibility rules. In the Forest - Ipswich game there were 4 English players no longer eligible for the country of their birth and in the Spurs - Fulham gamme there were 5.
     
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  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #4582 Fireburn47, Dec 7, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2024
    Stoke only had 1 English flagged starter today.
     
  8. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I guess you could say there were four others from home Nation Countries even though it’s still classed as foreign when it comes to an England prospective but still pretty depressing for a team in the Championship.
     
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  9. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Does it really matter though? We've got to be careful not to worry too much about players eligible for England who have gone elsewhere because they aren't good enough.

    5-6 of their starters are England eligible, but are bottom end Championship players - we can't just keep everyone in the system in the hope they make it when they have other opportunities and parental ties - these players are coming through English (and Welsh) academies in the main which is all we can worry about
     
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  10. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Stoke are also starting Ashley Phillips every game and are bringing through Sol Sidibe, so we shouldn't be too harsh on them.
     
  11. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Now 39 English options that have made an appearance in the the Champions League this season -

    Goalkeepers
    0


    Defenders
    13
    - Rico Lewis, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Fikayo Tomori, Ezri Konsa, Ben White, Joe Gomez, Eric Dier, John Stones, Kyle Walker, Ben Godfrey, Tyrone Mings, Jahmai Simpson-Pusey, Jarrell Quansah.

    Midfielders
    15
    - Bobby Clark, Jude Bellingham, Jacob Ramsey, Angel Gomes, Phil Foden, Conor Gallagher, Declan Rice, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Ross Barkley, James McAtee, Myles Lewis-Skelly, Curtis Jones, Nico O’Reilly, Ethan Nwaneri, Harvey Elliott.

    Attackers
    11
    - Jamie Gittens, Samuel Iling-Junior, Morgan Rogers, Bukayo Saka, Tammy Abraham, Ollie Watkins, Jack Grealish, Raheem Sterling, Harry Kane, Jaden Philogene, Marcus Edwards.
     
  12. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    The case of Youssoufa Moukouko takes another baffling turn, with it emerging that his father wasn't actually his father at all and instead some kind of agent who "adopted" him and forged his birth certificate. It seems actually Moukouko is born in 2000 making him a pretty unremarkable 24 year old forward:

    https://www.footboom1.com/en/news/f...oukoko-alleged-father-admits-to-age-deception

    There were always a lot of doubts and a lot of suspicions about Moukouko though they did a good job of shutting it down at the time. It will surely only encourage more of these kind of cases given the success to those involved. His "parents" made a lot of money out of it and Moukouko himself has had a career he would never have had otherwise. Pretty remarkable he even went to and played in a world cup for Germany on the basis of being a wonderkid.

    It will be interesting to see if he remains in the Germany under 21 side. He's actually eligible for the next two under 21 tournaments, so he could still be with the under 21 side in 2027.
     
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  13. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Dortmund luckily managed to sell the 20(4) year old wonderkid just before all this was exposed!
     
  14. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    The face he went to Nice in the first place suggests it was probably already something of an open secret, or there were extremely significant doubts among better clubs. Even the fee wasn't really high for a 19 year old wonderkid, though probably far more than they'd get now.

    I also see I accidentally posted this in the english opportunity thread, should be in the general football thread.
     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Under German Law he is probably now liable to prosecuted for Age Fraud himself and politically I’m not sure the DFB will touch him again even if they clearly must have been very aware of all the suspicions.
     
  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    No English starters for Fulham today but four on the bench.
     
  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Chelsea are prepared to allow English midfielder Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall, 26, to leave the club on loan in January. (Mirror)

    Leicester City are planning to bring Dewsbury-Hall back to the club, having sold him to Chelsea in the summer. (Football Insider)
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    No English starters for Manchester United in the league cup. Two on the bench.
     
  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Enzo Maresca refused to rule out 26-year-old English midfielder Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall, who has been linked with a return to Leicester City, leaving Chelsea in January. (90 Min)
     
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  21. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    We've been very unfortunate that two of the best academies in the country have been highjacked by clownish ownership groups that have deemed it necessary to make needless and likely damaging changes to the structure of the institutions.

    Personally I find it hard to imagine the academies of both Chelsea and United won't be damaged, possibly United's even more so since that ghoul Ratcliffe has cut its funding quite significantly, amongst other things.

    Have to hope the damage is limited I suppose, but this is yet another pitfall of the Premier League and the what it represents, and the types of people it attracts.
     
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  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    No English starters for Wolves. Four on the bench.
     
  23. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Josh King started for Fulham today…..
     
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  24. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Stats look good but whoscored say he played as an AM!
     
  25. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Same on my app, Flashscore. They also had him the highest rated player for Fulham.
     
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