The On-going Never-ending Brexit Story Part Four

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  1. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Fascist Hellscape
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    John Sopels new book about the descent of British / Tory politics looks really good.
     
  3. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Whatever the rights and wrongs of the policy, this is just a complete screw up.

     
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  4. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    The policy is arguable either way... whether it's the more wealthy 'older generation', (like me), versus the young who can't afford to get on the housing ladder or the ineffectiveness of targeted benefits, (although it can be argued that's also an argument for making them work more effectively, of course), is an open question at this point.

    My guess is, inevitably, there WILL be some people who 'fall through the cracks', as the saying has it, who need the extra and don't get it.Of course, this is in exactly the same way there were millionaire pensioners, (which don't include me, to be clear), who obviously didn't need the £200 a year.
     
  5. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    You really have to admire the brazen hypocrisy on show here.

     
  6. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Johnson took £936,000 in donations while PM, including donors paying for his wedding and daily takeway meals during lockdown.
    After leaving Downing street, despite declaring £1.3m in earnings over four months, he took £1,060,500 in donations and free accommodation over that period.
    But he's not greedy - his view will be that he's entitled to those donations and they are just a part of his life.
     
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  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Big shift in the Tory leadership race. Badenoch on the ropes now, as I don't see many (if any) Tugendhat supporters backing her. Cleverly's to lose now.


     
  8. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    So it looks like the Cleverly team tried to lend votes to Jenrick to get Badenoch out, and it all backfired. Cleverly came a narrow third and is eliminated.
     
  9. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Remind me not to ask for your horse racing predictions, won't yer :giggle:
     
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  10. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    I can't help thinking this is going to be like the last leadership election between Truss and Sunak and the tory memberships will just look at the two candidates and say, 'The white one'.
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    its remarkable how the Tories absolutely did not learn the lessons of the last election
     
  12. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    That wasn't very clever... ly
     
  13. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The "centrist" group of Tory MPs is not supporting either candidate.
     
  14. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    It's been said that he's the second least appropriately named politician, after Andrew Adonis.
     
  15. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Fair enough. I'm not sure how you lose support from first position in a couple of days, but I suppose that's what you get trying to predict the crazies.
     
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  16. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    They were hurt most by the switches to the Lib Dems in the shires.
    If the public want far right then they'll vote for Farage, not the people following his tune.
    It's all set up for Bozo to come back in a couple of years.
     
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  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    :D

     
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  18. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    TBF it's not like it could have expected huge sales there anyway.
     
  19. lanman

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    Aug 30, 2002
  20. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    There's a degree of waste in sickness benefit, (if we're including that as a discrete class), because some of the people receiving it should have been moved onto other benefits, many of which are higher.

    Of course, his assumes we trust the FT without other confirmation.

    I caught this in the grauniad on the subject...

    Labour to bring in ‘own reforms’ to benefits system to save £3bn
    Work and pensions minister says government will not go ahead with Tory plans but needs to make savings

    Quite how this all works out we'll need to see.
     
  21. The Irish Rover

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    "Politics is show business for ugly people".
     
  22. The Irish Rover

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    One Cleverly ally perhaps summed it up best, describing the contest as dictated by “people with the winning combination of a leadership vote and room-temperature IQ who think they’re in House of Cards”
    https://www.politico.eu/article/kemi-badenoch-robert-jenrick-uk-conservative-party-james-cleverly/
     
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  23. Port Vale Fan

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    So, in the light of day who are weasels now?

    Any misinformation to dispense today?
     
  24. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Is it the people who said he was an immigrant that came across on a boat from Calais last year instead of being born here? Is it them?
    No... and yerself? :)

    :giggle:
     
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  25. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Farage was right by coincidence. He didn't defend what he'd originally said/posted. He tried to blame it on others. If he'd doubled down and said "I'm correct, and this is why", then I'd give it to him. But he didn't. He got called out on his attempt to stoke hatred and then said "it wasn't me".
     
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