The On-going Never-ending Brexit Story Part Four

It's entirely performative, including labour's response which makes no difference anyway because they're in opposition so, bluntly, who gives a feck what they say.

Reed's woffling and prevarication is probably sensible in that sense. You're not against it, (as otherwise the tories will be able to say you're 'soft on immigration'), but you're stressing the business and other social issues such as care home staff.

 

Will someone actually ask the government this?

Deputy Tory Party Chair Brendan Clark-Smith says that any employer facing a staff shortage as a result of the new minimum salary requirement for overseas workers should simply pay workers more money. Presumably that includes the NHS?

— Keith Burge (@carryonkeith) December 5, 2023

 

???

I think you'll find people already have pointed this out, tbh, and it's not just NHS but care staff as well.

 

So this is what "Taking controll of our borders!" looks like, eh?

 

Larry Elliot has a point of view on the subject of this thread...

I’ve got news for those who say Brexit is a disaster: it isn’t. That’s why rejoining is just a pipe dream
Many still hanker for how things were: but looking across the Channel, it’s completely illogical to do that

Brexit is a dead issue at Westminster. There are any number of issues where it is hard to separate Labour and the Conservatives, and the reluctance to reopen the 2016 referendum debate is one of them. As with tax and spending, Keir Starmer is broadly offering continuity Rishi Sunak.

That doesn’t mean the debate about leaving is over. Plenty of people still nurture the hope that the decision will be reversed and are working to that end. But any successful campaign would need to do two things: convince voters that the UK economy had become a basket case since the Brexit vote and that life for those still in the club was so much better.

Neither criterion has been met. Britain’s economic performance in the seven years since 2016 has been mediocre but not the full-on horror show that was prophesied by the remain camp during the weeks leading up to the referendum. The doomsday scenario – crashing house prices (falls of up to 18% could result, warned then chancellor George Osborne) and mass unemployment – never happened.​

Not sure about some of the articles statistics, (although some are probably right), but the point about it being unlikely we'll be rejoining any time soon is correct I think.

 

I think the absolute earliest it might factor into an election is after two Labour terms with another leader running. That's assuming Starmer does the best part of a decade before handing over, and then it may form part of the successor's campaign.
More likely is probably when the Tories get back in, whenever that may be, and the Labour opposition campaign is built on it.

 

I think it probably depends on what happens going forward and not just in economic and business terms.

When we left it was presented as the UK, administered by a right government, leaving a more left-wing Europe. But with Meloni in power in Italy, Orban in Hungary and whoever else might grab power, that gets harder to argue. More to the point if they start to implement some of the policies they've threatened how close do we really want to be to them anyway... politically I mean.

 

Who would have guessed

Boris Johnson has been unable to supply Covid inquiry with any of his Whatsapp messages for almost entire of first lockdown

Experts have been unable to retrieve any of his messages from January 31, 2020 to June 7, 2020

Source close to Johnson says he didn’t delete them from his…

— Steven Swinford (@Steven_Swinford) December 5, 2023

 

There's a fairly common similar response coming from Johnson

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-pmqs-conservatives-labour-uk-politics-latest

Johnson says he does not remember that.
Johnson says he does not remember any such thing.
Johnson says he cannot give an answer to that question. “I’m not sure.”
Johnson says, again, he does not know.

 

The only thing he CAN remember is that everyone was doing their best.

 

Nothing like a former lover scorned.

It IS possible to recover What’s App messages.

Yes, even from factory reset.

Any real technical talent knows this.

If anyone wants to see what they are hiding, I’ve got the team. https://t.co/gWr0pWUQBk

— Jennifer Arcuri (@Jennifer_Arcuri) December 6, 2023

 

Jenrick resigns as a minister. He's a strong ally of Braverman and there's rumours he could be a stalking horse in yet another leadership contest.

 

But no way they force Rishi out now.

 

Is that a challenge?

 

Did you see her 'speech' in the house today?

It was treated like it was Churchill 'We will fight them on the beaches' when it was just a petulant child throwing a hissy fit.



This seems right...



It's popcorn time IMO

 

A discussion about UK politics and how labour will 'crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentation of their women'. Well, maybe not that last bit but the rest of it... sounds good

 

Probably NOT a great sign...

No 10 says Suella Braverman, not Rishi Sunak, signed off on extra £100m payment to Rwanda – UK politics live
The claim comes after it was revealed the cost of the scheme had almost doubled

When tory politicians are trying to say they DIDN'T do something, it kinda implies they think it won't be universally popular.

'It weren't me guv, it was 2 other fellas and I was nowhere near when it happened'

 

Private Eye's Ian Hislop in discussion about 2023 and various political and cultural events. He's usually pretty incisive...

 

Go on. Do it

Tory MPs hatch plan to bring Boris back to Downing Streethttps://t.co/Xeyw5rGoSQ

— (((Dan Hodges))) (@DPJHodges) December 9, 2023

 

And yet people STILL say the tories don't have a sense of humour... Pffttt.

 

Would be good if he was asked this at the inquiry.

If Sunak has lost all his WhatsApp messages why did he bother launching a legal challenge in July to stop him having to hand them over to the inquiry??? pic.twitter.com/wEUgowiaNF

— Patrick Dalton (@shitlondon) December 11, 2023

 

Asking such a question is considered to be in poor taste I'd think.

 

Yes? Ha ha ha, yes(?)

 

The BNP is alive and well on the Tory back benches.

Nick Fletcher(Tory MP): "We are turning parts of our community into a ghetto... you have a 12 hour waiting list at A&E, & the reason why the waiting list is so long, is because people don't speak English in these places anymore..."#RwandaPlan pic.twitter.com/fis0ET9444

— Haggis_UK 🇬🇧 🇪🇺 (@Haggis_UK) December 12, 2023