The official "Some site says this guy is a Yank" detective work thread

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, May 23, 2013.

  1. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I am all for news organizations getting paid for their work, but I must confess that from the rather narrow perspective of this thread, I'm a bit bummed that so many regional German news sites are now behind rather high paywalls! Ah well, priorities, I suppose.
     
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  2. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Micah W. find:

    Filip Tokar
    Date of birth/Age: Jan 8, 2007 (16)



    Signing his contract:
    https://www.lechpoznan.pl/aktualnosci,2,filip-tokar-z-pierwsza-umowa,41063.html

    TM profile says he is US citizen, but no birthplace or other info:
    https://www.transfermarkt.us/filip-tokar/profil/spieler/1074357

    I don't see any info about him playing in or growing up in the US.
     
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  3. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I looked into him last month and couldn't pin it down. There certainly seems to be more movement between Poland and the U.S. than we realize, possibly with parents who move back and forth with their families. Sadly, 90minut doesn't have a profile page for him that I can find; they're usually great for this stuff. I do see some past PYNT experience; certainly he doesn't seem to have moved abroad for this season, though I can't say for sure how long he's been in Poland.

    There's a race driver with the same name but I would guess that's not his father.
     
  4. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    A related assignment that I figure you all might be good at.

    Is Aidan Morris eligible to play for Canada?

    A poster showed up on a Canadian soccer board and said that he appeared to be. He said that Morris' brother had a Canadian flag on his social media.

    So I'm curious whether this is true or not.
     
  5. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    England-based Toby Sims is in some places called American, but he seems to have been born in England, with some collegiate and lower-division experience here. Of course, he might have an American parent, as well.
     
  6. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
  7. NoHammiesAltidore

    United States
    Jun 28, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  8. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here're a couple of Micah W. finds. Both are 2007s, so there's not much info on them.

    Wyatt Marin
    Date of birth/Age: Apr 6, 2007 (16)



    His TM profile says he was born in the US with US/UK citizenship.
    https://www.transfermarkt.com/william-wyatt-marin/profil/spieler/1130294

    His youth clubs: TSG Weinheim (2018-2020) Waldhof Mannheim (2020-2021) Eintracht Frankfurt (2021-)

    Interesting that Micah says he has Croatian citizenship, which is possible since TM maxes out at 2 nations.



    Ty Whyte
    DOB: 04 March 2007

    Club profile: https://www.cpfc.co.uk/teams/under-18/ty-whyte/
    Vancouver profile: https://www.whitecapsfc.com/players/ty-whyte/

    Normally, I'd start a profile because the club says he's American, but his Whitecaps profile says he was born in Vancouver. I figured I'd wait to see if we get a bit of confirmation.
     
  9. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I spent a bunch of time trying to nail down Marin last week. I couldn't quite, but there are enough breadcrumbs out there that I figure it's probably right that he's American. Haven't been able to find him on the club site, which raises questions for me about his precise status, but I might have missed something.

    Personally I'd say it's threadworthy when a club lists a guy as American, but that's not to say they're always right!
     
  10. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  11. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely, but I can just see an intern assuming that he's an American because he came out of MLS. (Like the MLS club who declared a player was a naturalized US citizen because he got his Green Card). No harm in waiting a few days.
     
  12. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I do generally try to confirm it. Especially with younger players, you might see more errors. I don't even remember the name of the guy offhand, but I half-remember a dude at Bolton who was listed as American years ago quite possibly in part because he had a jersey number next to Johann Smith's and someone got confused.
     
  13. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It seems to be simply a massive coincidence that there are two Ty Whytes with nearly the same birthdate, off by just a day. This article and embedded video shows the Crystal Palace Ty Whyte (Tyler Whyte) has been in their academy since at least 2019-2020 as a U13. Also they are different ethnicities.

    https://www.cpfc.co.uk/news/academy...view-former-palace-player-who-fought-in-wwii/
     
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  14. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good deal. "Whyte" is an extremely unusual spelling. That both use "Ty" makes it a really big coincidence.
     
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  15. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    See also: "The Liberian Flag Confusion."
     
  16. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Not to be confused with "The Romo..." -- no, wait, that's @Balerion's joke.

    There's another guy who was listed as American by his own club. He told me directly he was not and there isn't a clear reason why the club would be confused apart from whoever manages the database got a little carried away doing YA research and connected too many dots... We've all been there.

    Anyway, he changed clubs and his current club doesn't seem to have this issue.
     
  17. fzzzy

    fzzzy Member

    Austin FC
    United States
    Jun 8, 2022
    James Edmondson and his brother Stephen Edmondson are potentially American eligible youth players with Blackburn Rovers. At this point, James seems to be the bigger talent having signed a professional contract back in 2022 and making at least 13 appearances with two assists in the U18 premier league and another 3 appearances and one assist in the Premier League 2. Stephen has a made few appearances for the U18s. I'm not sure whether he's the same age or younger so it's possible he's also got a strong future.

    The brother's grandfather was from the United States and they have American eligibility in Football Manager, but as we've learned before neither of those facts actually guarantee they have citizenship. James particularly seem worth tracking just in case though.
     
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  18. fzzzy

    fzzzy Member

    Austin FC
    United States
    Jun 8, 2022
    Finn Steele plays for the the Ipswich Town U18s and had three appearances in the FA Youth Cup this season after a loan stint with Isthmian League squad Brightlingsea Regent in 2022. FMinside latest update has him listed with American eligibility. Can't source the information anywhere else yet.
     
  19. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Some sites have him at Panachaiki in Greece.
     
  20. fzzzy

    fzzzy Member

    Austin FC
    United States
    Jun 8, 2022
    Jordy Monroy who has eight caps with the Armenian national team and plays for Independiente Medellín in the Liga Diyamor 1 (Colombian 1st division) has a mother with African-American ancestry according to his wikipedia page. He's a right back who has featured fairly regularly in league play and the Libertadores this season after returning from a season spent in the Armenian topflight with FC Noah. Obviously, it's a questionable connection and it's too late for him to ever feature for us. But I thought it was interesting and worth passing along.

    [translated article sourcing the wiki information]
     
  21. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Foreign-language Wiki is an underrated source!
     
  22. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is an interesting one, but we need to do some more digging to get to the answers we want.

    Gabriel Han Willhoft-King (goes by Han)
    Currently with Tottenham U18s.



    His TM profile says he is English & German. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/han-willhoft-king/profil/spieler/951119

    So we have possible nationalities: English, German, Indonesian, American, Chinese.

    Has been getting some positive attention:

    https://247simasport.com/2023/02/18...eam-star-player-heir-in-a-17-year-old-who-is/

    https://www.footballfancast.com/tot...lhoft-king-skipp-conte-premier-league-gossip/

    https://www.footballinsider247.com/tottenham-expert-thrilled-by-han-willhoft-king-news-one-to-watch/
     
  23. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't really trust this source, but I'll include it here:

    https://www.indonewstoday.com/olahr...donesia?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Meanwhile, the mother of Gabriel Han Willhoft-King is an American woman of Chinese descent.

    I don't think there was any original reporting going here, just "It is reported."
     
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  24. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I'm starting to do a refresh of my file of search sites, which I haven't really done in about two years. If you've got a resource you like, and particularly tips for searching it (a good advanced search page, a Google string, whatever) post it here!
     
  25. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this situation has a direct answer, but there are some threads that aren't fully explained.

    Zishim Bawa

    I spotted this tweet:


    And this TM profile (using the first name "Steve") which says he is American:
    https://www.transfermarkt.com/steve-zishim-bawa/profil/spieler/1086087

    But this profile, from what I assume is his official site, says he is Irish & Nigerian:
    https://zishimbawa.com/profile/

    His name does pop up in tweets from the Barca Residency Academy, so likely he attended there for some time:


    He did sign with Bodens after a US tryout camp, so perhaps that's where the confusion arises:
    https://www.facebook.com/bodensbkff/posts/1511810182352979
    https://pscsocceracademy.com/arizona-pro-soccer-tryout-attendee-signs-pro-in-sweden/
     
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