The official Jackson Yueill thread

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  1. MtnGardener

    MtnGardener Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 21, 2017
    Whenever it comes to a discussion of the Quakes selling some high performing player, there is always this "we should keep him to show we are serious". That is nonsense. That isn't how the world market for soccer players works. When a player outgrows your team, you sell him. There is barely any more to it than that. The tiers of the soccer world each come with transfer value levels and weekly salary levels, and trying to keep players below their level is silly.

    Lima was never more than MLS level. Yueill seems like he is, though it isn't clear where he could go. He is hampered by having gone to college, so his age is high. BL.2 teams want to pay a few hundred thousand in transfer fees and JY is worth more. I don't think he is BL quality yet, but he is too old to be a bench guy that they develop. He isn't a fit for what I have seen from the English Championship (long balls and thuggery), though maybe for the right team?

    If a reasonable offer comes in for JY, and he thinks it is a good fit, the Quakes need to sell him. Being a team known for not taking good transfers is a good way to lose young talent.
     
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  2. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #352 falvo, Mar 30, 2021
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2021
    They sold Lima for a profit. That was actually a smart move. I think they also sold Bingham for a profit if I'm not mistaken. He is without a club at 31 years of age now so getting rid of him was also a wise decision. They made money off both those guys and they didn't invest much in either of them. Of course if they can sell Jackson for a profit, they will, why wouldn't they? Drafting an American player for $0 and selling him for whatever? They can't lose.
     
  3. DasMoots

    DasMoots Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    #353 DasMoots, Mar 30, 2021
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2021
    Teams with ambition keep their key players. Otherwise Messi would have been traded from Barça long ago, no?

    Even FC Dallas which churns out Euro bound players via their academy has stated that they are interested in winning MLS Cup which for them means they are bringing in DP's to compliment their youth. Seems that they realized winning silverware is important because they have really poor attendance (sound familiar) despite successfully selling players to Europe. So what's the right path, develop and sell but win nothing (ever) or develop, win and then maybe sell?

    I like the develop, win and then maybe sell plan.

    But in the case of Jackson, he's too old to be moved for real big money so we should keep him out right as the cornerstone of the team for the next 5+ seasons!
     
  4. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    You want to strike the right balance, and if you're smart, the players that you sell, you sell high and buy low and all that stuff, and you wind up ahead. You want to "manufacture" value, i.e. get it for low cost through development, and then leverage it to gain even more value. That's how you can build a winning franchise for moderate cost. That's the model Jesse is going for, and it's no surprise that Fish would like it.

    The A's get criticized a lot in the press and by "the pundits", but they do the sell high, buy low thing quite well, and it allows them to at least periodically compete for a championship. We are nowhere near that. We are still playing tiddlywinks while some other teams are starting to play chess.

    The downfall of the A's method is that it is frustrating for the fans, who get behind a new star, only to see him traded at he peaks.
     
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  5. MtnGardener

    MtnGardener Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 21, 2017
    No. Not at all true. This is missing the context of a world market. Barça's context is that Barça is a top team in a top league who can afford top salaries. In that situation it is true that a team with ambition keeps their players... but there are about 15 teams across the top 5 leagues who can think like that. In every other situation in world soccer, no. A team needs to consider player career trajectories and plan their future accordingly. If you have an Aaronson in your academy and you think "we'll keep him until he's 23 because we're ambitious", you'll find yourself not getting any more Aaronsons to sign with your academy. You need to plan to sell when the offer comes and figure out how you'll replace him.

    MLS makes this all hard with the salary cap. The way world soccer does it is "you are forced to sell your talent when you don't really want to, but you get enough money to pay some established (older, lower ceiling) talent to replace them". In MLS you can't, because you'll break your salary cap.
     
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  6. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Cristiano Ronaldo was sold 3 times since 2003 and there is still a market for him at 36 years old..

    All teams in this day and age sell their players if they can.

    That is the name of the game in today's transfer market.

    Especially smaller clubs like the Quakes, you sell to reinforce and to make money anywhere possible..
     
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  7. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I totally expected Honduras’ second goal, and I expected it to be on lousy passing out of the back by Ochoa. He had at least two close calls before giving up the goal. He has to learn to pass the ball out sooner.

    I can’t say that JT would have done better, but it’s not likely that he would have done worse.

    Go Quakesfans!!

    - Mark
     
  8. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sadly, I think that you are right about this.

    If we can sell Jackson, we will.

    I also think that MLS is hampered by college soccer. Overwhelmingly, our young players go to college, so that they hit MLS at 22 or 23. We need to circumvent that pathway, but we can’t because young men’s parents want them to go to college, and that’s how our other sports work. 23 and 24 are young in the NFL, not so in soccer.

    Nuts.

    Oh and we should watch to see if any young players from the CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying Tournament end up going to other bigger leagues. Alajuelense sell a ton of younger players, and they field an almost absurdly young lineup. I think their average age is 22 or 23, and they are league champions on a regular basis. But, their young guys aren’t wasting four years in college.

    GO Quakesfans!!

    - Mark
     
  9. MtnGardener

    MtnGardener Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 21, 2017
     
  10. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Depends on what you want out of life. It's not always about $. I think the question is, if your dream is to be a professional soccer player, is college the best option? Probably not, if you are in / have access to a different pathway, e.g. MLS club academy to USL or something like that. If you don't make it, you still have plenty of time to go to college. In the U.S. it's never too late to go back to college and get a degree and start a new profession. Or just go straight to new profession and learn on the job through internships, etc.

    It's the same for musicians, dancers, etc. College may not be the best path for those kinds of careers.
     
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  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I doubt Yueill cares much about it at this point but he made the team of the tournament:


    JT would have likely done better in the Honduras game. JT would have likely done worse in the Costa Rica game where Ochoa stood on his head. Maybe a brilliant coach who is really attuned to things would have seen that Ochoa was training well and given him the start against Costa Rica, but then gone with the MLS experienced Marcinkowski for the all important semifinal against Honduras. Without the benefit of hindsight that's not so easy to see, and in any case Jason Kreis is far from a brilliant coach.
    The key is to not be in a position where qualifying depends on such a razor thing margin between success and failure. And that started with the roster construction, which was the much bigger failure from Kreis. Guys like Ebobisse, Williamson, Pomykal, Parks, Bassett, etc. on the roster and maybe no one is discussing the goalkeeper situation right now.
     
  12. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, Ochoa was great in the first game against CR. I can’t really fault Cries for starting him in the semi-final. But surely, the goalkeeper coach and Cries both should have been on him about his footwork and the need to pass the ball to his defenders quickly. Even so, that might not have saved us.

    I’m just saying that as I watched the game, I feared exactly the second goal. I expected it, I was completely unsurprised when Ochoa gave up that goal. Disappointed as hell, just not surprised.

    And I can’t say that JT would have done better, certainly not against CR. Ochoa was a monster in that game.

    So, presumably Cries will be replaced as the US Men’s U23 coach? I mean, those guys never keep those jobs for long right? I keep expecting him to find his mojo and become a better coach, but maybe that’s never going to happen. Maybe it was his players not his brilliance that made RSL a quality team for so long?

    Go Quakesfans!!

    - Mark
     
  13. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    His job was gone the moment the final whistle blew and the tournament ended. The U-23 coaching job is not a permanent position, it's until the cycle ends. Unfortunately US Soccer probably won't hire a new U-23 coach for another two and a half years, when they should do so a year from now...
     
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  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This from Caitlin Murray writing in The Guardian sums it up well:

    The USMNT's Olympic failure shows a lack of leadership not talent
    USA’s best players don’t turn out for the Under-23 team, but there were glaring errors in the campaign to reach the Tokyo Games anyway

     
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  15. MtnGardener

    MtnGardener Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 21, 2017
    If you are on the path for pro soccer, and you are sure, then NCAA is 100% a waste of time, and will 100% not be your best way forward. My point is that I think very few players who are sure they want to play pro soccer for a living that go into NCAA soccer. And I am 100% sure than any who do are badly advised by whoever they are listening to to inform that decision. If you want to go pro, when you are 15 you should be ransacking your cultural cupboards for a Euro passport, and if you can't find one you should go looking for the best academy of pro-oriented players that will take you. Anything else is off the path: you might get there, but you'll get there later and be less valuable.
     
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  16. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, I am just solidly in the "follow your dream / passion" camp, especially in an endeavor where there is a short window, and even if it seems somewhat unrealistic. I'm sure a lot of young players haven't decided that they'd like to play pro at 15. So there are these tweeners that maybe got serious about it at 17, and then what do they do? Maybe college is the best option for some, but if they can get into an academy or D2 / D3 league that would likely be a better choice. And then to the extent that you can afford it, hire a personal coach / trainer. They'll know within a few years if they're going to make it or not, and then there is plenty of time for college, etc.
     
  17. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The Kreis versus Ebobisse thing was strange. There had to be some bad blood there. It is common knowledge Ebo would have surely been a presence in the box and helped the cause. Kreis said it was a performance based decision, which is total BS.

    You can't go into difficult concacaf battles at any level without 1-2 physical threats in the box.

    We shot ourselves in the foot by selecting Kreis as coach...which led to his poor decisions with roster selection.
     
  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure there is bad blood as in anything personal. Kreis has always been incredibly arrogant. It's very likely that Ebobisse didn't do well in the U-23 camp, he was dealing with some concussion issues around that time. That doesn't mean he wasn't a better option than all the other forwards combined. See also another coach who was far more arrogance than talent, Klinsmann, deciding other players were "a little bit ahead" of Donovan the best USMNT player ever, at WC14 camp. Maybe so but it's a roster not a starting eleven, you take your best players and count on them to be ready in a few months instead of relying on Brad Davis or Sebastian Soto.
     
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  19. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m also shocked and appalled that we didn’t hire a new U23 coach immediately following the previous failed effort to make the Olympics. I mean, if you’re at all serious, you don’t put if off until it’s too late to make a good effort. We should hire someone to replace Creis immediately. This needs to be a four year campaign if we are to be successful. I’m willing to bet that CR are working on their next try for the Olympics right now.

    So while we can blame Kreis for some of his decisions, and some of his roster selection, if he’d had another year or two to prepare and more support from USSF he might have done better.

    On the one hand, it’s impossible to know who will be available in the next cycle and who will be in form, but starting now at least gives the next coach the chance to look at players, to see who’s out there, to devise a more sophisticated strategy, to coordinate that strategy with the US Nats first team (I think the 4-3-3 was an effort in that direction).

    Wow, just a whole lot of failure on a whole lot of fronts.

    Go Quakesfans!!
    Go USA!!

    - Mark
     
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  20. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Right now judging by his Olympic performances , Jackson Yueill is the only guy in my opinion that could make the full national team. I don't really know or follow RSL so don't know much about Justen Glad..... I also didn't see him standing out that much but I wasn’t paying attention to him.

    Best XI: Concacaf Men's Olympic Qualifying
    Goalkeeper:
    Alex Guity (Honduras)
    Defenders:
    Derek Cornelius (Canada)
    Justen Glad (USA)
    Denil Maldonado (Honduras)
    Johan Vasquez (Mexico)
    Midfielders:
    Sebastian Cordova (Mexico)
    Edwin Rodriguez (Honduras)
    Jackson Yueill (USA)
    Forwards:

    Uriel Antuna (Mexico)
    Luis Palma (Honduras)
    *Alexis Vega (Mexico)
    *Named Best Player.
     
  21. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Featured in Soccer America today as one of the best players to be represented across the league....

    Jackson comes in at #19.....no other Quakes player made the list....

    [​IMG]

    MLS Preview: The 27 players everyone will be talking about

    19. Jackson Yueill (San Jose). Yueill was one of the few U.S. players to come out of Olympic qualifying with his status enhanced. He is behind Adams on the U.S. depth chart at the No. 6 position, but he is one of the best passers the USA has.
     
  22. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States



    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  23. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Jackson Yueill scored a few beauties last night against DCU.

    I think he should seriously be considered as a starter on the USMNT....
     
  24. run_it_out

    run_it_out Member

    Earthquakes
    United States
    Jun 19, 2018
    Reminiscent of the legendary goal by Zidane:



    Yueill's goal doesn't have the technical perfection and is aided by some shambolic goalkeeping. In other words, no one will be playing soaring operatic music over it twenty years from now, but still not a bad comparison!
     
  25. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nonetheless, Yueill's was a sweet strike.:)
     

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