The Official Cade Cowell thread

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  1. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Chivas finished the clausura on a torrid run - at least 5 straight wins. Cade's playing time has diminished. He's mostly been a late sub recently. Remember though, correlation is not causation :). They will have to be in the play-in round to join the quarterfinals, but since they finished 6th, they host that game. Cade finished the clausura with 1 goal and 0 assists in about 700 minutes.
     
  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    Feb 13, 2010
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    Not surprised Cade has gone from starting to a late sub... they've figured out what he's best for, running at tired defenders.

    One goal contribution for a winger over 700 minutes, that's the Cade Cowell we remember from 2023...
     
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  3. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, though to be fair he had 3g, 1a in CONCACAF play - 2g, 1a against Forge FC and a goal against Club America.
     
  4. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    The goal against Club America is impressive, 2G 1A against Forge FC whose best player is former MLS journeyman Kyle Bekker is exactly the level of competition we would expect Cade to feast on.
     
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  5. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, he had that one monster game in Canada against Forge - 2g,1a, but then nothing when Forge visited them. Oddly enough he started on the right side instead of the left in his monster game but I don't think it was all about him being on the right. I think it was more about playing Forge.

    I'm sure Chivas has been thinking the same thing we thought for 2 or 3 years about Cade. Man, all that speed and strength, if he can just improve his final ball. Not sure it's really happening yet though I did see a few things from him that I didn't see here. I think that has more to do with Chivas's style of play where for example they might attack more down the middle and he can make little thru runs in the center of the box instead of always trying to cut in with the ball from way out there on the left.
     
  6. vamanoshasta

    vamanoshasta Member

    Aug 12, 2006
    Yeah, but to put it in perspective, what we were we all doing at the ripe old age of 20... :D
     
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  7. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Fair point, but Cade's been playing professionally for 4 years now, and that "final ball" stuff really hasn't improved. We've had discussions about whether or not those instincts can be "learned" or if it's more of a you have it or you don't kind of thing. The "hasn't improved" thing is a concern though as you say, he's still very young.
     
  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    Cade is Richie Tenenbaum

    NARRATOR: Richie Tenenbaum had been a champion tennis player since the third grade. He turned pro at seventeen and won the U.S. Nationals three years in a row. He kept a studio in the corner of the ballroom but had failed to develop as a painter.​

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  9. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

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    Feb 25, 2014
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    Cowell is so over hyped. But then again we have this weird stigma to over hype clowns. (Thompson, Colvey, Marcinkowski, Tsakiris, Ebobisse, Monteiro etc.)

    Cowell will be back in the MLS at sone point, probablt to San Diego or Chicago or some cloen team through discovery or lottery.

    We do not retain his rights after this season.
     
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  10. SJTillIDie

    SJTillIDie Member+

    Aug 23, 2009
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    we would probably be mid-table right now if cowell and monteiro were still here and tsakiris had started the season healthy.
     
  11. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
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    Out of those three, it's only Monteiro that has really been missed.
     
  12. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #2462 JazzyJ, May 3, 2024
    Last edited: May 3, 2024
    Yeah, Niko is an up and coming player but still very young and has some weaknesses in his game. I don't think he makes us better right now. Hopefully eventually. He should be a sub, if the game state calls for it. He now has almost 1400 minutes and still no goals or assists. Those numbers are downright Cowellian!
     
  13. SJTillIDie

    SJTillIDie Member+

    Aug 23, 2009
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    Disagree... Cowell provided us way more than Pellegrino has.
     
  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    the lowest of bars (0)
     
  15. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    By that logic, these will be the next acquisition targets for Chivas. :)
     
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  16. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
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    Lets see:

    In 2024 Pellegrino has 1g and 0a in 425 minutes.

    In 2023 Cade had 1g and 3a in 1550 minutes.

    Maybe that's a push?
     
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  17. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Cade strikes fear whereas fizz water strikes pity.
     
  18. SJTillIDie

    SJTillIDie Member+

    Aug 23, 2009
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    overly simplistic looks at counting stats are a poor measure of a player's true value. over reliance on counting stats results in making mistakes in the transfer market like the pellegrino acquisition.

    Cowell in MLS in 2023 actually had a higher xG per 90 than Pellegrino so far in 2024 (0.28/90 vs. 0.24/90).

    Cowell in 2023 vs. Pellegrino 2024:
    successful dribbles - cowell 2.44/90 pellegrino 0.85/90
    dribble success rate - cowell 50.6% pellegrino 40%
    tackles won - cowell 0.51/90 pellegrino 0.21/90
    tackles won % - cowell 60% pellegrino 20%
    duels won - Cowell 4.43/90 pellegrino 2.54/90
    recoveries - cowell 3.30/90 peleegrino 1.69/90
    possession won final 3rd - cowell 0.57/90 pellegrino 0.42/90

    Cowell regularly unbalances defenses and draws 2-3-4 defenders out of position to deal with him, which opened up more space for espinoza and ebobisse to do their things. Pellegrino is easily marked by one player and never draws double or triple coverage.
     
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  19. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #2469 JazzyJ, May 4, 2024
    Last edited: May 4, 2024
    The problem with Cade has always been converting that xG into G. He had the one of the worst G-xG in MLS last year, if not the worst - 0.29xG per 90 and 0.06G per 90. And if there was a stat for it, effectiveness of final (non-shooting) ball off of an attack would be terrible as well. I think that was even more of a problem last year than his finishing. One thing that kinda measures that is key passes. Somehow Cade had only 5 key passes all last year! To put that in perspective, Espinoza, who played the same position on the opposite side, had 93, Jebo, who's supposed to be a finisher more than a distributor, had 30, Yueill, a holding mid, had 25, Monteiro 23, and Tommy Thompson, who barely played and often played defender, had 6.
     
  20. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    XcxG = expected conversion of expected goals. :)
     
  21. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
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    I just expected better of both of them.
     
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  22. SJTillIDie

    SJTillIDie Member+

    Aug 23, 2009
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    and yet... our team looked better and more dangerous with cowell than with pellegrino. obviously the loss of monteiro is a factor as well, but the inability of pellegrino to do much in buildup at left wing is glaring.
     
  23. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Again I think when comparing Cowell to Pellegrino it’s apples to oranges. Totally different kinds of players. There’s no point in getting mad at an apple for not having a thick orange skin and there’s no point in getting mad at an orange for not being crispy and white inside. And as I’ve said if we don’t play to Pellegrino’s strengths there’s no point in playing him. There’s no point in getting mad at him for not taking defenders on like Cade does. That’s not his game. People don’t realize that Pellegrino’s quite fast given a good run up. In terms of his playing to his strengths we should be trying to play him thru at least 5 times a game.

    I think Cade is a better match for Monteiro and Pellegrino is a better match for a more aggressive attacking CAM like Hernán or even Skahan.
     
  24. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
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    And just like that Pellegrino is twice as good as Cade.
     
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  25. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
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    Do they have a stat for shots on goal when no one is on you?

    Actually, it was a very nice goal. To get the shot off, Pelle had to control the ball well in a difficult situation.
     

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