Alert: The offical "Fire Peter Vermes thread"

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by Spoon, May 15, 2011.

  1. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Missed that, thanks.
     
  2. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yup, it's so simple.
     
  3. BenDover

    BenDover BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 4, 2010
    Rio Verde, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure about that with the current coaching strategy. I just looks like the defenders would be kicking long balls over 4 midfielders rather than 3. :cool:
     
  4. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Well, 4-4-2 would be a little better suited to our over-reliance on the long ball, but I really don't think that our roster is set up for a 4-4-2.
     
  5. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's really not at all.
     
  6. Jarnevic

    Jarnevic BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 21, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only one goal in the last six games (not counting the own-goal against LA).

    Ummmmmm ... Do something?
     
  7. PezJunkie

    PezJunkie Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Independence, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, we have approximately 14 forwards on the roster and no wide midfielders outside of Ryan Smith. (Espinoza?)
     
  8. aletheist

    aletheist Member

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    . . . who usually plays as a forward. Go figure.

    That said, I wonder how Smith would do as the center attacking midfielder in more of a 4-2-3-1.
     
  9. bobunbury

    bobunbury Member

    Aug 16, 2004
    I really don't like the 4-4-2, but the team is ineffective in a 4-3-3.

    This would be my line up:

    Harrington Besler Collin Espinoza



    Myers Arnuad Bravo Smith

    Bunbury Kamara
     
  10. Ihateusernames

    May 16, 2007
    Merriam, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know, this is the first time I've ever seen Myers not suck. He actually did well stripping the ball from guys and leaving it in a position to start the counter. I saw a few things from Mikey last night that I haven't seen for a bit too (on the offensive side, I mean). I mean, it's not like we don't have options we just need someone to figure it out. Maybe BS should take turns coaching. Everyone line up and let's draw straws.
     
  11. kfb5926

    kfb5926 Member

    Sep 9, 2009
    Prairie Village, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last year, I felt like Auvray was pretty solid in the midfield. I know he's had some injuries and national team duties, but even when he's been available, he hasn't gotten much playing time or looked as effective.
     
  12. Lord Helmet

    Lord Helmet Member

    Apr 29, 2005
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's the thing...

    When I look at our roster from top to bottom I see some talent. I see a roster that is competitive with most other MLS teams. The difference HAS to be coaching and tactics.
     
  13. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
    the 417
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately, our lineup seems to be best suited for a 4-2-4.

    --Harrington--Besler--Collin----Espinoza


    --------Auvray/Rocastle------Arnaud


    ---Kamara---Bravo---Bunbury------Smith

    Not very effective to have your lineup strong up front like that. With no midfield, it renders our strong forward line ineffectual.
     
  14. Wizhawk

    Wizhawk Member

    Jun 7, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ----------------------Nielsen---------------------

    Harrington-----Besler----Collin------Espinosa


    -------------Auvray----------Rocastle----------


    Kamara---------------Arnaud--------------Smith

    -----------------------Bravo----------------------



    Or put Arnaud in one of the holding spots, drop Bravo to CAM, and put Sapong/Bunbury up top. Or drop Arnaud to holding, put Stocjev at CAM and leave Bravo up top.
     
  15. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    any formation that doesn't have bravo getting the most looks in front of goal on our team is not a good formation. that's your starting point as far as i'm concerned.
     
  16. Wizhawk

    Wizhawk Member

    Jun 7, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did a little research on Stojcev's appearances. I know some people don't like him. I think he's a good offensive threat.

    Games started 6, Goals we've scored in those games 11

    Games not started 5, Goals we've scored in those games 1
     
  17. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goals actually involved in: 2
     
  18. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yeah but PV took the whole formation and marched it 15 yards backwards since the high goal scoring portion of the season to shore up the defense ..... Stojcev didn't score any of those goals and at best he has two assists, and he was predominately played in the high goal scoring games ...

    All things being equal it is not a fair comparison. No fairer than saying we have scored less with Julio Cesar on the bench than not.
     
  19. Wizhawk

    Wizhawk Member

    Jun 7, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure there are tons more factors than just Stocjev, and he didn't account for all 11 goals. But there is a lot to offense other than goal and assist. He is a dangerous offensive threat when he has time and space. I would just like to see more of him.
     
  20. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Well that is fair enough. I think when you back stuff up with stats its hard not to point out when its a sketchy link.
     
  21. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Problem is after teams figured out that's the only way he could play he was shut down and made non-existent in games, hence his move to the bench.
     
  22. Wizhawk

    Wizhawk Member

    Jun 7, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's fair, I wasn't clear. He isn't responsible for all 11, obviously, but it is an accurate and potentially interesting statistic.

    That's fair too. But who in the midfield has been stellar on offense in his place? I guess the defense has gotten better, but with our forwards we should be scoring more than we have been recently. It's just frustrating watching a professional group of midfielders that can't string together two-touch passes to save its life. It's not difficult business.
     
  23. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thing is I watched Stojcev not do the exact same thing in the reserve game in Colorado a few weeks ago, he was unable to complete passes (when he attempted them, Kerry was yelling at him fairly regularly to "pass the ********ing ball")
     
  24. Felixx219

    Felixx219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 8, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stojcev is too inconsistent. Not that our team has been consistent as a whole but we need creators in the midfield and he isnt it.
     
  25. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Stojcev sucks ass unless he's given the entire pitch to himself. If he's pressured at all, he might as well be replaced by Pablo Escobar.
     

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