The Ocho

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  1. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    they sure are
     
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  2. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mexico didn’t make any excuses... they’ve won the games they’re supposed to win.

    Meanwhile, we’ve choked three games out of six games in the Ocho. For all the momentum and goodwill gained during the Nations League and Gold Cup... Berhalter has allowed himself to be upset in half the game we’ve played in.
     
  3. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was 0 expectation of anybody who has evolved past the Precambrian age to think we were getting 18 points in 6 games. That’s absurd.
     
  4. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They won their home games?
     
  5. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    18 no. 14, yes.
     
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  6. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Correct, but I would argue we were set up subpar in four of our six games. We are underperforming and that's on the coach.
     
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  7. OWN(yewu)ED

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    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1557 OWN(yewu)ED, Oct 14, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2021
    Bingo. 13-14 was more than reasonable.

    We are, once again, right at the bottom threshold of what is acceptable. It is the annual performance report of "Satisfactory. Do not recommend for promote". For some people, thats perfectly fine. I'd like to think we are at a higher standard than that, though. Especially with the weapons at our disposal.
     
  8. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And yet, we're in second place.

    Also, if we were "supposed" to win against Canada, then Mexico were supposed to as well.

    Mexico has played better than us so far (even disregarding the red cards from Honduras and El Salvador) but all I really care about is qualifying. And in this window, we got six points, which is more than Canada (five) and Panama (three) got.

    Lastly, you make it sound like Berhalter was solely to blame for bad results. Yes he bears some of that, but the players have to perform as well.
     
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  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean their result against Canada was the same as ours. They also had a road tie just like us. Their only difference is they have an extra road win and we have a road loss.
     
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  10. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We are missing our top two offensive weapons. So we are not quite at full capacity.

    But yes, the results so far scream "acceptable" given our talent and any injuries we have had to deal with. Like in September, I'm not mad, or ecstatic.
     
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  11. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    I love your high expectations but we're fine.

    So Mexico ties Panama and Canada at home. They INRCRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  12. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    At home vs. Mexico, on the road bs Jamaica, Rotation isn’t an issue, 4 points should be expected. 3 the absolute minimum.
     
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  13. OWN(yewu)ED

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    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yup, I maybe am slightly below that, but "ish" for sure. I dont think anyone is openly celebrating on this one. Especially the way Panama went down. That was a coaching decision disaster rotating that many players. Absolutely one of the "what could have been" games. I dont think there was a defense for it.

    But.......results fell our way, we are second in the table. It be that way sometimes. Good shape.

    and also agree that the top three (Mexico, US, Canada) are separating from the pack now. Panama is the king of the playoff spot. I think they lock that down.
     
  14. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow. Best player in CONCACAF.
     
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  15. DaniChandler

    DaniChandler Member

    Jun 9, 2013
    Panama Canal
    Club:
    Cruzeiro Belo Horizonte
    Nat'l Team:
    Panama
    Honestly I couldn’t be that much optimistic as you are about Panama sealing the 4th spot… we have a looong way to go… full of difficulties… not buying that statement until the end…
     
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  16. OWN(yewu)ED

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    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol that defender just shouts and cries, that was hilarious. Soccer players really need a lesson to play to the whistle, but.........that wouldnt have helped him there. That was a murder.
     
  17. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Disagree. Mexico's goal on the road has been nine points, our goal has been three. Glad we figured things out at Honduras.
     
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  18. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    Sorry for then Greggggg Brigade. We are at best, below expectations. Horrible, no. ok, I guess. The Panama match is gonna bug me for awhile. The lack of offense is a huge issue, but we played much better today….and when you factor in the lack of Gio and CP…. OK. 4 points next window.
     
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  19. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With the limited appearances of McKennie, Pulisic, and Reyna I think 12 is reasonable. Full strength no doubt 13-15…this coach idk
     
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  20. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Panama have a tougher second half than Jamaica
     
  21. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ill give ya that. 12 could/should have been the fair magic number, and frankly we should be there minus the Zardes oopsiedaisy and player selection over the weekend.
     
  22. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    14 was the number we "should" have been on. 12 would've been fine. 11 ? A bit disappointing, but with the results of all the other matches, 11 is pretty golden.
     
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  23. OWN(yewu)ED

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    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The upcoming away game to Canada is literally the first one that I wouldnt be overly upset about if we dont get points there. Hell if we get a tie north of the wall, Ill be pretty happy. A W would be a big deal.

    Tells you of the times man, we are now at a place where we would be happy taking a point off Canada in their house. Thats never been a thing before. I would expect to take a point off El Salvador away, I would expect to take a point off of Panama City away, and hell this rendition of Costa Rica, I would expect to take at least a point off them away too. But this Canada team? No, an L there is no need for the panic button. A point away to Canada would qualify as "nice" in my book. A win away to canada would feel we got a great result.
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The battle between the 4 Central American teams has been interesting. At the start of the Ocho in sure most people thought Honduras were the favorites to grab a qualifying spot. Then Panama emerged with a big win in Jamaica and a draw in Mexico. Just as we were writing off El Salvador they beat Panama having drawn with the Ticos and the USA. Now the Ticos sit just behind Panama and play Honduras and Panama in the next break. I can't see CR getting a point in Canada but it would be nice.
     
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  25. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not me. I think Hugo Perez has the Salvies playing well. They did not bunker with 10 men vs Mexico (though they were behind). Jamaica has already played Mexico & USA on the road. If the get healthy (Bailey) & some English guys show, I think they are right in it with Panama.

    I think Honduras & CR are bottom.
     

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